How is Russia even military relevant in the world? Their economy is trash and their tech is horrible. It is truly an amazing thing that they are still a major player in world militarizes today. They must be the most militarist country, of size, in the world, since they have nothing but their military going for them. The resources are good, but resource based economies are not strong anymore.
>How is Russia even military relevant in the world?
they produce their own shit. this means they can get get stuff for, basically, as cheap as they want (as long as its more then materials+production costs), instead of sending countless milions into private corporations so they can eternally research not working airplanes
aditionally, gdp doesnt really mean shit and all these big numbers dont mean anything. what is important is buying power
>How is Russia even military relevant in the world?
All their shit is produced in Russia, at prices dictated by the government, and they still have a huge amount of Soviet era gear to equip everyone but their A1 units with. In simplest terms, they get more for 1$ than you (or we) get for 1$, and there's a lot that they don't need to spend a penny for.
>Also: Dem nooks.
They aren't spending 3 trillion dollars on a single airplane, they go for cheaper solutions and their engineers spend more time optimizing than they do being "creative". This results in very efficient R&D and tool acquisition. In terms of their military industrial complex it is a lot more streamlined, they have a single tank factory which is fed by a few materials processing plants and smelters, which are in turn fed by dedicated mines. They go from dirt to tank in the same 300 mile radius and their entire process is a lot more industrialized. In the west a single tank part has its sub-parts made in a dozen different factories milled out of solid blocks of steel which is NOT INDUSTRIALIZED it is a crafts based manufacturing, the part then gets shipped to a dozen different places so "qualified" people can screw a single screw in, or deburr it, or paint it, none of which is done in a single place.
The same effect occurs on their training schedules. The western model has a person training about how ideologically right we are, how to treat women and where the fire extinguisher is for over two thirds of the training schedule, want to guess how much of a Russian conscript is focused on those topics? They tend to do larger group exercises, which include entire armies, whereas west tends to train at a platoon or brigade level at best. Larger exercises are more cost effective, you get more bang for your buck in terms of experience.
>their tech is horrible
In many areas it's ahead of ours, most of the areas that matter for warfare. For example our scramjet research stalled until we bought their research from the ukrainians in the 90s. They're ahead in all missile tech and propulsion excepting hydrogen storage, they're ahead in ordinance and warhead tech, shaped explosives, ahead in some types of armor, they have cheaper and more efficient body armor for example… And they aren't willing to settle for multirole designs.
>muh F35 joke
>everything Russian just werks because BASED
Russia has no free press to point out when a project is crashing and burning forever so it goes unnoticed. Russian jet engines also have somewhere around half or two thirds less of a life span as western engines. Their navy is a rusted out mess they sold to Pepsi for scrap and the fact that they are investing so heavily into warcrime containers for merchant ships shows how confident they are in their ability to fight a real war. Their radar and transistor tech has always been behind and they never developed the CNC machine without smuggling some from japan in the 80s. Megafactories are also a liability, not an advantage.
They are massively ahead in electronic warfare, they prefer passive methods and are very advanced in areas like QWIPs.
You simplified something I explained in detail to the point where it made no sense, their stuff doesn't "just werk" and no one in the thread said anything close to that. I explained in detail why their training and equipment costs less, it is not because they accept a lower standard, it is not because they have different purchasing power - they have been forced to streamline and are a lot more efficient.
Megafactories are easier to defend than distributed factories, their tooling can be moved easily if they're threatened, and western countries don't distribute factories for protection that's ludicrous. The only real threat is a nuke, and if you're fighting with nukes your production power is a moot point anyway.
Their engines have a shorter midlife refit time because they have less maintenance cycles throughout their life and are used and abused far more than desk jockeys would permit in the west, it's not an issue of design or QC difference. This is a better way for them to do things for themselves, it might not work for us but it clearly works for them.
>warcrime containers for merchant ships
If you withdraw from the treaty, it's no longer a warcrime. At least that's the modus operandi of western governments.
While we're on the topic of naval warfare…. ever notice how Western warships have no effective ordnance to engage another warship? The torps are low range and the missiles are subsonic with a pitiable warhead, easily swatted out of the sky with CIWS by the hundreds. And since the west stole missile designs and turned them into target drones, it's clear that the west can also make supersonic anti ship missiles but chooses not to be capable of attacking warships Also Western ships have no effective defenses against foreign warships, the CIWS coverage is pathetic, there is no armor around crucial components whatsoever, and all Western ships carry their torpedo tubes and missile tubes mounted to the deck where they are vulnerable. Given the fact that Western ships can't fight other warships it stands to reason they exist purely to blow up civilian shipping, and given the size of the western navies they are clearly designed to blow up civilian shipping across the entire globe simultaneously. Even the submarines are built with a single hull and stainless goddamn steel, a design not useful for fighting enemy submarines, clearly designed to increase their raw numbers and danger to civilian shipping. The only warships with any punching power are air defense cruisers, but that's not an offensive weapon so much as a means to prevent the civilians' governments from protecting them. Don't throw stones in glass houses especially after providing sarin to sandniggers.
I'm not going to dignify the press comment with a response.
>Russian jet engines also have somewhere around half or two thirds less of a life span as western engines.
IMO that's a good thing. That way you can replace them with better ones while keeping the sexy airframe.
>Their navy is a rusted out mess they sold to Pepsi for scrap and the fact that they are investing so heavily into warcrime containers for merchant ships shows how confident they are in their ability to fight a real war. Their radar and transistor tech has always been behind and they never developed the CNC machine without smuggling some from japan in the 80s. Megafactories are also a liability, not an advantage.
Okay, I'll bite. These are the issues of coming out of communism. The current American issues are the ones of going into it.
Comparing economies in dollars only works when everyone is paying it's energy (oil and gas) in dollars.
Russia is the only developed country that doesn't, de facto making the whole exercise largely pointless.
What should be compared is what the Russian military is buying in rubles and compare it to the cost of similar equipment is costing the US military to create a military PPPm ratio that could yield a decent comparison. Except we can't as detailed figures are largely classified in Russia.
What can be done is looking at the export market, and knowing that those are for profit exports (while domestic purchases may run at a loss, with the export profits covering part of that loss, the companies are state owned and are regularly on technical bankruptcy).
This tells us they can probably buy a T-90M for the price of one track of a M1A2 SEP v3.
Which suddenly makes the rubble and the Russian economy (PPPm) way way way bigger that the dumb "market conversion rate" GPD makes it appear.
It also works for commercial goods (but far less as those are transit goods import/export) which reflects on the fact that onnormal PPP weighting Russia GPD is suddenly between Japan and Germany.
It's still quite far from the US but Russia doesn't have a population anywhere close to 50% of that of the US.
US shit is MASSIVELY, MASSIVELY overpriced.
Honestly, given a choice of military procurement, I would focus on buying euroshit, including ruskies.
>They must be the most militarist country, of size, in the world
OF ALL COUNTRIES THE USA SAYS THIS!!!
>Okay, I'll bite. These are the issues of coming out of communism. The current American issues are the ones of going into it.
in addition to massive purchasing power parity variation, something like 35 percent of russian economy is grey market and barter system.
Where does the Wagner group fit into Russia's strategy?
>and their tech is horrible
If a war broke out between Russia and USA (It won't, because they're both good goyim), I would bet
my Germany's money on Russia winning.
You all are fucking retards, think about what you wish for first instead of going all in brainless contrarianism. You fucking leftist sympathizer scum.
>he posts a picture of a plane that eventually flew again
Lockheeb isn't sending their best
But if the west has a problem, then logically what Russia does must be the solution!
Joke aside, I hope we never have to find out which side is better. Ideally we'll just have another century of each side annihilating illiterate shitskins clumsily wielding the equipment of the other side. Any real war would likely lead to a new hierarchy with China and India on top while Europe rebuilds regardless of which side comes out on top.
> Russia has no free press
Implying the USA has.
When ussr got blasted by yet another international sanctions for the yet another pointless war in Afghanistan, even kremlin retards started to think that would be neat doing pointless wars abroad without getting blasted by sanctions. So in 1992 they send a """private""" military company of """cossacks""" to Moldova for the purpose of supporting so-called Transnistria - a literal commie mishmash of North Korea and Somalia created to fuck Moldova for life and make it completely dependent from kremlin. Sanctions didn't happen, thus """private""" military companies continued to fuck russian allies by supporting growing list of literal commie North Korea-Somalia hybrids on the ex-ussr territory. Currently they are becoming more active in the more distant places.
Private military companies are literally illegal in russia, I'm not even kidding. Two creators of the direct Wagner's group predecessor (Славянский корпус) were jailed. But in the authoritarian asian countries some people are more equal that others and simply above the law. Technically the former GRU officer Dmitry Utkin is Wagner's group leader, and it's controlled by one of the most corrupt and closest putin's buddies (((Evgeny Prigozhin))).
It literally doesn't exist?
It's an SBU invention that frame the loose GRU management system they have for neo-cossacks as something big and spooky that could explain how the mighty ukrainian army keeps getting it's ass kicked.
It stem from the Georgian war where "volunteers" companies (mostly tied to Caucasus republics own administrations) messed up some of the operational planning of the Russian high command by using the scarce roads to get into Georgia and did quite a bit of looting, which while pretty standard for the area, didn't please Moscow one bit.
Since then they have decided that while they won't quell that "cossack spirit" (of people going of to war to defend Russian interests on a personal basis… Why the fuck would they?) but that it need to at least be coordinated with the Genshtab.
So the GRU, that already had a lot of experience with it directly controlling local battalions in Chechnya, inherited the cat herding duty.
>Given the fact that Western ships can't fight other warships it stands to reason they exist purely to blow up civilian shipping
Yes, obviously our DDGs are designed to use their billion-dollar sensors and enormous AA/ASW armament to kill unprotected merchants.
>Even the submarines are built with a single hull and stainless goddamn steel, a design not useful for fighting enemy submarines, clearly designed to increase their raw numbers and danger to civilian shipping
Correct, it's literally impossible for subs to do any other job, they'll spontaneously explode if they try to torpedo any of those big, expensive, completely defenseless capital ships that the Russians love to build.
>The only warships with any punching power are air defense cruisers, but that's not an offensive weapon so much as a means to prevent the civilians' governments from protecting them.
This. At least a state press admits its a biased mouthpiece.
Russia doesn't have 1 million dollars of unfunded liabilities per citizen.
Its a western misreading of the situation. Like calling the aor america stunt CIA pulled a "private military company". Its literally just some contract soldiers who are judged to be either high skill or desperate, sent to do jobs no one is dumb or courageous enough to do. Like an american crop dusting pilot looking squarely in the face of waiting for his two years older brother to die before he can inherit an iowa corn farm and deciding that maybe transporting cocaine and little boys so CIA can fuel another horror story is a better immediate term prospect. The tune might be different but the dance is the same, its a government controlled op kept at arms length so when theyre finally thrown into a cauldron and cooked, there can be no wailing Mothers Against War CIA controlled NGOs wailing - but in general they have less training and shittier equipment than a regular russian army unit.
They would be million dollar sensors if the buyer (congressman, general) and seller (their golf buddy at raytheon) weren't openly and boldly discussing how to defraud the retarded pseudo-serf taxpayer.
>enormous AA/ASW armament
Do you mean physically large? Our largest torpedo is considered "medium armament" in Russia, and it can dive to 1200ft while the Russian subs can dive to 2000ft. It's too short ranged to get close to their surface shipping, which have tiny heat seeking torpedoes that can fuck up a Mk48's day we are just now thinking about introducing anti torpedo torpedoes and the media is making a huge deal out of it jizzing all over their keyboards
THE MAIN TORPEDO CLEARLY DOESN'T EXIST TO SHOOT THEIR SHIPS OR SUBMARINES
It's literally designed to hit cargo ships.
Oh and the same altitude differential that favors high fighters firing on low altitude fighters works in reverse underwater. The sub that can go deeper has more advantage, since a torpedo has to explode under a vessel to disable it. It's a genuine physical performance advantage that we can't replicate.
Lol just turn the torpedo upside-down and detonate it above the lower sub. It’s not rocket surgery.
Shit it's so simple…. how could I have missed it?!
For one their soldiers aren't faggots and winkies riding on free college tuition.
Nationalized and streamlined production, a large healthy reservist system patriotism falling out of every orifice. If america takes 500,000 casualties they will have lost half the army, the people would riot, the cost would bring the country to its knees. If Russia took 1 mil to bring down the 500k, it would be seen as necessary sacrifice.
Then why do I feel that BRIC (namely the "R" and "C") could win a non-nuclear war (really wish I didn't need to emphasize that, but that's morons for you) against USA and NATO?
Also, no one knows how to into Anglais anymore.
they can rape everyone in europe while the US is too busy playing police officer to stop
Submarines cant fire bellow a certain depth because tubes get fucked up, i think around 700ft-1000ft is the maximum depth a torpedo can be safely fired
If you want to learn something about submarine warfare play Cold Waters
>For one their soldiers aren't faggots
Interesting mistake on my part.
What are you talking about? We don't use compressed air to launch torpedoes anymore, the tube is fully flooded by ambient water.
So getting drafted in Russian is basically prision time without a reason with rape included?
every draft is like that.
conscription is slavery
>every draft is like that.
>conscription is slavery
Kill yourself numale. Only anti-war fags who get drafted into worthless literally-who divisions complain about conscription. I was a paratrooper and it was top-tier. I still miss it. My buddies served in mountain-divisions and they fucking loved the operating in there too. Again, the only ones complaining are the fags who join sissy-tier cannon fodder divisions. Airdropping in the middle of the pitch-black night in a swamp with literally 80kg of equipment on me and then marching for 5 miles through mud and rocks was the most radical experience in my life.
>conscription is slavery
>conscription is slavery
It's not slavery but more like attempt to remove the soy out of boy by force.
But you also forget that many Russian oligarchs bribe their sons of the bitches out of conscription. Oh and their medical check ups upon duty call can be a big joke.
>conscription is slavery
Theres absolutely nothing wrong with conscription. In matter of fact I support the idea of some sort of national service.
Conscription is shit if you're forced to fight for jewish interests.
>conscription isn't slavery
It literally is. What are you thinking with, you dumb fucks? Saying it's somehow good because it "makes men" is the same as saying that prison time builds character. Fuck you and your worthless nations that deserve to die and be spit on by jews if you think that enslaving citizens is somehow a good measure and adds your shithole merit. Kill yourselves, you worthless serfs.
>being a slave-bitch for jewish bankers makes you a man
See, we need to invite Russia to Six Eyes; much better than Euros.
>he doesn't want to overcome the challenges thrust upon him
>he doesn't want to learn valuable skills while doing so
>he doesn't want to use said skills to crash his jewish masters with no survivors
>he doesn't like natural selection
>he likes implying implications
here's a (you)
I liek borschtsch))))
Sounds like you should enlist in the military. Or do you need to be forced in along with thousands of leftists and muslims learning the same skills?
you dont even have a nation to serve, just the state
No, they just didn't update the commie conscription model. We had it here too, it's remembered for the widespread bullying. My dad told me of what happened to a young officer he knew – he was very formal, all orders and protocols, so his subordinates took out a knife, put it to his neck, and forced him to scrub the whole floor with his toothbrush while he cried and begged for mercy. No real consequences as the officer was told what would happen if he squealed. Dad just shrugged and went back to selling military surplus on the black market. Common practice with veterans was using newbies as their personal servants, sending them on "missions" like "go to the city and buy me a beer, with your own money. It better be fucking cold" and similar. Very little actual military training was being done as nobody really cared too much so long as shit was in order on paper. You can see the same shit by the end of the video with the poor shit being held at gunpoint.
>ooga booga we're all free ooga booga
A nation that doesn't force certain rules on it's people will be chaotic and ultimately useless. Anyone against conscription is a sissy turbofaggot and you can't prove me otherwise
Wew lad. I would have accidentally the whole barracks where it happened with some ordinance, shot anyone who got in the way, stolen a vehicle and hauled ass out of there and left the country (if I didn't get my head split open.)
3 843 men died between 1964 and 1989 here during their mandatory conscription period, so who knows, maybe someone did go postal on his "comrades". I doubt it, though – they usually an heroed. As for ordnance… Every proper base did have a munitions depo, sure, but that depo was fucking empty most of the time. But it was guarded – conscripts guarding an empty fucking depot, writing protocols about how they guarded it, checking the fucking seal on the lock, and if anything was amiss, some higher up was gonna rip them a new asshole. Shit, higher ups bullied lower ranks all the time too – some, for example, were on the lookout for any weapons they could steal from conscripts at an uguarded moment, hid it, and then gave them a massive dressing down for "losing" their weapon.
That's what conscription was: pointless, useless bullshit where you sought to cover your ass first, make sure the papers are in order second, and maybe try to steal some shit for yourself third. Almost no military training was being done save for some basic shit – you'd probably learn more if you spent a few afternoons at the range. Most of the tasks being given were bullshit in similar vein - stuff that is useless but looks great on paper.
Seeing that russkie video seemed to fit the bill quite perfectly, so I assume that's how things still are over there.
>nation that doesn't force certain rules on it's people
A nation is it's people, you parasitic scum. How can one talk about nations so much, yet be so detached from them?
For you? I'd call you a bug but you're worse than that, you're your nation's jew and your arrogant obsession with sissies next to you in your army proves me best. I hope you die with everything you've ever hoped to achieve resulting in failure. You're worse than a communist and deserve an even worse treatment.
These things actually do sometimes happen here, though not even remotely as often as suicides. Both things aren't talked about, though, and the latter are probably one of the few things that can actually backfire for higher ranks that allow that if not incentivize.
>dying for Israel
nation doesnt have rules, it has traditions
now fuck off and go read something about ideology you suposedly believe in
>How is Russia even military relevant in the world?
It's a mystery…
>Russia has no free press to point out when a project is crashing and burning forever so it goes unnoticed
Spending a couple tens of billions instead of half trillion on it also helps.
Ignore the ruscuck. He's a self-described marxist and most likely also turkic.
i've never seen such an obvious and blatant projection, tbh. Are all Greeks insects similar to turkroaches?
Dude, we literally bought you from turks. Where do you thing the term "slave" comes from?
You also bought people from each other, does this mean you're just a separate breed of turks, greekworm?
>You also bought people from each other,
Please remind me… what country are the Altai mountains in?
Educate yourself, turkworm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_ancient_Greece
You can't be anyone else but some rapeboy slave offspring, assuming you're even remotely greek and not a jew or turk larper. You wouldn't be so fond of asslicking and autofellation otherwise.
>A nation is it's people
>nation doesnt have rules, it has traditions
NOBODY SAID TO GET RID OF TRADITIONS OR THAT A NATION ISN'T THE PEOPLE YOU LITERAL DUMB GORILLA NIGGERFAGGOTS
A nation NEEDS someone to rule it and if that someone DOESN'T force certain rules on the population, it will turn into garbage within a millennium. You NEED to teach all your men how to be soldiers. Conscription is a GOOD thing.
How many centuries did the Turks spend raping the gene pool in Moscow? I think your Turk-hatred might hit closer to home than we thought, Μωάμεθ.
>A nation NEEDS someone to rule it
The jew cries as he spams you.
>it will turn into garbage within a millennium
The jew calls your nation garbage.
Does anyone even need further proof that he's a jew?
>You also bought people from each other,
I suppose it's a good think there weren't any altaics, niggers or even sandniggers in our greater vicinity back then.
>You can't be anyone else but some rapeboy slave offspring
Said the tatar accusing others about "projection".
>You wouldn't be so fond of asslicking and autofellation otherwise.
I think I can see why you are so mad about patriotic practices like conscription now. Is because Putin is repressing your sexuality?
>nations need no king ooga booga we're all free and independent :)
Boy I sure do remember the last time a group of people conquered lands and created civilization just by themselves and without a superior king to lead them and organise them.
>How many centuries did the Turks spend raping the gene pool in Moscow?
Apparently for as long as Moscow existed.
>The jew cries as he spams you.
I see where you are coming from bu you realize we only had a (((marxist))) government for the last half decade only, no?
>I suppose it's a good think there weren't any altaics, niggers or even sandniggers in our greater vicinity back then.
So, now you're jumping to another golapost, judaic turkworm?
>Said the tatar
So i'm tatar now?
>patriotic practices like conscription
<The jew thinks if he repeats a lit again it'll become true
You keep repeating it but everyone already knows that this is the only kind of argumentation that you're able to create
>we only had a (((marxist))) government for the last half decade only
Oh, but it seems you simply didn't need it. Judaism comes to you naturally.
Perhaps you don't remember the cultural origins of the west? Was your bloodline elsewhere at the time? It would explain your instinctive desire to kidnap white Christians to send them off to war.
>ITT: Yet another Orthodox civil war: imageboard boogalo
Reminder that turks were so retarded that rather than spreading their seed here they instead took women and children back to turkey, effectively spreading greek dna into their own population rather than doing the opposite
>Judaism comes to you naturally.
Bitch, you bet. We've been outjewing the Jew since 800BC.
That would imply that I deflected from my original point, which always was buying rape victims of turks out of White-ish solidarity and the kindness of our hearts:
>So i'm tatar now?
Most likely for the last 600 years.
How long would it take for Antifa soykin, innawoods Stalkers and 9/11 conspiracy theorists to rebel against their ZOG handlers should the US in CY+4 enact compulsory conscription for the purpose of spreading democracy to China or Iran following the loss.jpg of two supper carriers to hordes of suicide boats or some shit?
>We've been outjewing the Jew since 800BC
Well, seems like the jews are not the only ones you're outjewing, fellow white person.
>That would imply that I deflected from my original point
You did, you can re-read it if you're dumb enough to lose it already.
>Most likely for the last 600 years.
But you said i was turkic before, why did you change your opinion?
>retards still can't come up with an argument as to why a nation doesn't need a king
>Perhaps you don't remember the cultural origins of the west?
Draft-dodging was punishable by death in most ancient Greek city-states, especially Sparta which you lolbergs tend to fetishize.
So you're saying that turks and greeks are now genetically similar? I thought so but wasn't sure.
>Well, seems like the jews are not the only ones you're outjewing, fellow white person.
If only we had that much influence, we might as well helped our Indoeuropean brothers from uncucking themselves.
>You did, you can re-read it if you're dumb enough to lose it already.
>we literally bought you from turks
Yeap. Still the same.
>Sparta which you lolbergs tend to fetishize
Inland turks are a mix of whatever shitty mongolian and shitskin tribe around
The closer you get to Greece the more similar you get, mostly due to anatolian greeks still living there after the 1920s
>we might as well helped our Indoeuropean brothers from uncucking themselves
You? A jew is the reason of that cucking. If anything, you'd be fucking with them twice as much.
>Still the same
But why would you whine about muh proofs then, turkworm?
You should have considered not quoting a post with an argument. Under those circumstances, it is very difficult to come up with an argument.
>So you're saying that turks and greeks are now genetically similar?
Yes. Traitors and low-IQ plebs with not enough money to pay jizzya or fighting spirit to resist paying it tend to have similarities to their original ethnic background regardless of the amount of their inbreeeding. That's the funniest part. Russians are more turkic than the inbred Anatolo-mongrels calling themselves "turks" today are.
Well then, i invite everyone else on this board to treat our sperging out resident greekboys like the species they are and admit they are - roaches.
>he thinks he made an argument
Let me make it as simple as possible. With a king ruling and organising the people you get civilization and power. Without someone to lead the people you get africa.
>You? A jew is the reason of that cucking
I can understand why it's hard for your altaic ass to grasp that but one's language is usually bond to his ethnic affiliation and deep volkish culture. That's the main reason my illiterate grandma knew every "Grim Brothers'" folktale but had not the singlest clue who Aladdin, Sinbad or Ali Baba was.
That's as sensical as saying that all countries are retards because they isolated their genetic defects in special schools.
Ah, I had it mixed up; I forgot about the famous Greek birthplace of Autocracy, and the virile Roman Empire (before it decayed into a mere Republic)
> Without someone to lead the people you get africa.
Tbf to get that you also need a native population of inherently mentally deficient people see pic here:
Ask your grandma if she knew who Moses is next time, omegajew.
But your country is such a school.
So that "special" coastal school would explain why there are so many roaches in the regional merchant marine then?
>Ask your grandma if she knew who Moses is next time, omegajew.
Why don't you ask yours?
What a slimy little kike.
>many roaches in the regional merchant marine
What did he mean by this?
Oh yes, I almost forgot the (((USSR))) had completely banned non-muslim religion.
I recall a thread a couple months ago about it, most of the crew being Turks.
Think he confuses turkroaches with these species:
that achieved cosmopolitan status through maritime commerce.
Just to clarify. Believe us when we say it, this specific blattid species cannot learn how to swim, and we really tried to teach them.
That's called an "infestation", not a "crew".
>still evading the question
We're not going anywhere, ahmed goldstein.
Are you implying that your ancestors weren't abrahamic worshipers for the entirety of the last millennium up to the point when (((Lenin))) forbid them to on the pain of death?
>Are you implying that your ancestors weren't abrahamic worshipers for the entirety of the last millennium
Wow, you really double up on projections.
>Because they're Orthodox Christians and they love their Military Saints They also love to make atheists, mudslimes and kikes asshurt
Really nigger? Are you saying that you come from a 1100 years old line of Belobog-cultists that survived turkic and chechen allahu ackbaring, St. Olga's purges and the Red Terror? Must had been some really strong squat magic protecting you.
Not the anon you are quoting or even religious but I agree with him. Why the fuck should I tip my fedora to a religion that helped us to remain unislamified, uncucked and retain our ancestral language?
Keep going, you surely won't have to address the point if you try once more.
>you surely won't have to address the point if you try once more.
>said the one avoiding answering the question while I have answered all his
Yes, my grandmother was Christian.
Which White person's ancestors were not Christian at some point?
What was the religion of YOUR ancestors from 1100 to 1900 AD?
>Yes, my grandmother was Christian
>Which White person's ancestors were not Christian at some point?
Yours, you'd not jump around before telling us this lie if that was true, jew monkey.
Okay I now see what you try to imply but fortunately I can type out that Yahvee abandoned the Jews back in 160AD.
>Yahvee abandoned the Jews back in 160AD
So how did the jews manage to stay jews afterwards, i wonder?
By embracing Yahvee's twin sand-demon, Satan/Moloch/Baal or maybe Lilith given their matrilineal heritage.
Their economy being trash is a good reason why their military is relevant. Their military industrial system, while obviously not good, is not utterly, completely and absolutely pervasively corrupted like the US and many other euro countries are. They have competent designs and designers that perform effectively with a minuscule fraction of the bureaucratic clusterfuck, incompetence, general delays and cost. Their military advisers, planners and other doctrinal deciders have realistic and good ideas as well as the means to carry out their ideas. As an example, Russian radar has an entire network of high gain, medium, VHF, mobile, static and all the above that communicate and is virtually impenetrable when set up. Where, on the other hand, the concept of either offensive or defense radar doctrine & systems might as well not exist for the US, we have spotty and miscellaneous types of mobile radar and home soil radar is barely good for ATC.
>I get all my knowledge from video games
A mystery among mysteries, anon.
Careful with that, you'll give this guy >>665726 a stiffy.
>Dedovshchina encompasses a variety of subordinating or humiliating activities undertaken by the junior ranks: from doing the chores of the senior ranks to violent and sometimes lethal physical and psychological abuse, not unlike an extremely vicious form of bullying or even torture, including sexual torture and rape (cases of forcibly sticking bottles of glass or metal objects inside of one's anus are common). When not leaving army seriously injured, conscripts can suffer serious psychopathology for their life time. It is often cited as a major source of poor morale in the ranks.
It's from wiki, I'm sure some parts are blown up, but I wouldn't discredit it fully. Hazing is very much part of militaries anywhere, though it ranges in harshness. I've heard the Korean conscripts were forced to wash their faces with human feces up unitl a couple years back and forced to defecate in front of hundreds, though I'm not sure of the veracity of such claims It seems that. conscription always brings the unwilling and worst into the army and I tend to be against it. However a militarist culture is indeed necessary for an effective army to be raised.in both voluntary forces and conscription based systems.
> sexual torture and rape
how is one supposed to build effective disciplined soldiers with a sense of hierarchy and seniority without those?
Not saying that it makes good warriors or effective militias with combat initiative but a non-officer soldier's main purpose is to be a broken frontline grunt with rudimentary appreciation of his own life.
Back on topic, can anyone knowledgeable on recent changes to the organisation of Russian internal forces into the national guard (iirc the consolidation of MVD, OMON, SOBR, OSN?) enlighten me about the background as to why this happened briefly, and if there are any plans to consolidate equipment and uniforms as I know that the former forces operated quite a wide variety of firearms, uniforms, and personal protection systems? Also why didn't these internal forces use the same equipment/slightly modified equipment as the regular armed forces?
>have the same backpack as 3rd pic Russian guy
But we're talking mandatory conscription here. You don't want EVERY male in your country to be fucking broken, that's just stupid.
Oh, but he does, he fully supports every European man to be a broken submissive coward, that way he can feel less miserable himself.
>You don't want EVERY male in your country to be fucking broken
No. Just 37% of them.
I am sure you are getting an erection as you type that but I have to admit I have absolutely no problem with using already broken willless cucks, potential commies and full blown criminals as frontline meatshields while the worthy men are in relative safety as a future eugenics' reserve.
>I am sure you are getting an erection
No, not really. Quit projecting, you fucking faggot.
>already broken willless cucks, potential commies and full blown criminals
Good description of the greek nation, tbh.
>Good description of the greek nation, tbh.
Also Russia. That's why we both need conscription.
Nah, you're just projecting your shithole state even though torture won't help it anyways.
>you're just projecting your shithole state
Weren't you sperging about muh baste putin a moment ago, kike?
He did his best to fix shit but 70 years of (((communism))) and even worse so 10 years of (((Yeltsin lolbergtardery))) aren't easy to repair.
>He did his best to fix shit but 70 years of (((communism)))
By praising communism, i guess.
AHAHAHA, now that's golden
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>Whoever does not miss the Soviet Union has no heart. Whoever wants it back has no brain.
>[nervous laughter intensifies]
>“I liked Communist and socialist ideas very much and I like them still.”
It was populism all along.
>[nervous laughter intensifies]
<It was libertarians, not communists robbing what's left after their rule during their downfall, amirite, fellow socialists?
I can agree to this.
Greekroach fails to understand that mandatory conscription in Sparta worked because the boys started their training fairly early in childhood and were raised in militant culture, they weren't pushed into homo camps at 18-19 and for merely a year or so. Though in Greece it varies because I know a guy born in Northern Epirus (currently occupied by Albania) who had to do 9 months since he's a repatriate. From what he said immigrants who gain citizenship have to do only 3 months.
The Czech is right about corrupt shithole bases. They're dysfunctional beyond belief. At the end of 80s my mother used to work near the barracks. One day a truck arrived and started unloading crates of canned rations in a bakery's backyard since that's the address they were given. Her owner tried to explain that the barracks are further down the road but delivery guys wouldn't have it because the invoice mentions this address period. Everyone in the bakery started taking rations home until few days later the local command started their investigation and found out about the bakery. Instead of simply taking the rations, they posted armed guards round the clock and thanks to classic commie bureaucracy it took them almost 3 weeks to get the paperwork done and pick up their stuff.
My dad was posted to these very barracks in either 1989 or 1990. It wasn't even full blown homo shit going down, it was more of daycare for guys with mentality of 5 years olds and a place to party for the officer class who didn't want to make a mess in their own unit. There were days when there wouldn't be anything to eat but alcohol was always abundant, the only guys not allowed to drink were the personal drivers of the officers. Draftees passed their days playing like little kids, trying to fix all the shit they'd broken, jerking off to playboy calendars and inviting local girls over. The biggest scandal that broke out at the time was when a drunk provisioner took a box of blank dog tags and gave them to the local kids. He fucked up big time because the nearby tenements were mostly for military families. All the retired zogbots were furious. The guy was court-martialled in no time and nobody heard from him again.
><It was libertarians, not communists robbing what's left after their rule during their downfall, amirite, fellow socialists?
>selling off all the national industry to plutocrats
>selling off most of their defense technology to Lockheeb
>selling off all their attractive women to pissrael and t*rkey
>leave the vast majority of the population in the immediate danger to either starve or freeze to death because 70 years of communist tyranny left them without money and that's not the problem of the private investors that bought off the food, fuel and timber industries
>i-IT WASN'T REAL CAPITALISM!
>communists doing communist stuff
<UH NO, LOOK IT'S CAPITALISM
>>>/leftypol/ and never return
All meds and other brown mutts are commie-leaning, it's in their blood.
>they weren't pushed into homo camps
They kinda literally were. Sparta was among the last city-state to abolish pederasty. Also why the fuck do I get the impression that homosexuality has epidemic proportions in Slav conscript forces? Here if you are not relieved from serving duties on the ground of claiming homosexuality it's further "don't ask and we will make sure that you don't tell"
<it's capitalism when communists are privatizing and monopolizing industry
You don't even understand what I said. They were pushed into military training when they were like 7 years old, it was an integral part of their upbringing. It's not the same as taking grown up soyboys and trying to make something out of them in a year's span, then throwing them back into the soy-addled society where they'll be expected to continue living wagecuck lives of comfort. If you want a nation of strong men, you have to raise them that way. When they're over 18 it's already over.
>privatizations are communism
>All meds and other brown mutts are commie-leaning, it's in their blood.
>said the recently Soviet Slav to the other recently Soviet Slav while the entirety of the Slav race was under full blown communism up until recently
Never claimed you can make true warriors out of soyboy cucks with conscription. You just secure a convenient cannonfodder and that in case of war you won't sacrifice your best for menial tasks while the soyboys, cowards and traitors stay back to repopulate and dysgenize.
>girl in no pasaran shirt
look at that face. She totally wants to get prison fucked. wtf.
>privatizations are communism
Not to intrude on your autistic shitflinging with the Russkie, but privatization is how ex-commies check out. I don't think there's been a single privatization deal done after communism ended that wasn't 100% corrupt on every level.
True but doesn't make the deal any less capitalist.
First of all, conscription teaches you very little of value, second of all, you gain wartime-levels of attrition from suicides, third of all, you are wasting shitloads of money on the program itself and on not having all those people working in the economy, all for practically no benefit, and finally, none of the people who went through this will be some sort of a ready-made cannon fodder and will need to be retrained anyway should a war start since they would have forgotten everything and gotten out of shape, if that was their lifestyle prior to the conscription. Nobody I know who went through the conscription process thinks it a time well spent – it was a shit time spent doing pointless shit often with complete subhuman. The extent of knowledge gained was "I was taught how to clean my gun, but I forgot that long ago now, lol". The only positive anyone ever mentions is "it builds character :DDDD" and sure, it does that, unless you fucking an hero due to being tortured by subhumans for 2 years for symbolic pay all the while being exploited by higher ranks for slave labour. The "character building" is actually "enduring suffering or learning to be enough of a weasel to avoid suffering in the first place" which sure are valuable lessons, I guess, but at that point, you might as well literally enslave people for two years, whipping them every day while building actually useful shit rather than play soldiers.
>capitalism is anything i don't like, and communists are also capitalists now
>>>/leftypol/ , and stay there, again.
I remember that his beloved Golden Dawn wanted to make conscription mandatory for every woman too. Maybe it changed in the last few years but the idea was out there for a long time.
>Yeltsin transformed Russia's socialist economy into a capitalist market economy, implementing economic shock therapy, market exchange rate of the ruble, nationwide privatization and lifting of price controls.
>implying I implied communism is any better than the same shekel's other side
>First of all, conscription teaches you very little of value
Good enough for a patriot to learn the basics of war and for a soyboy to be a free cleaning lady and a meatshield.
>you gain wartime-levels of attrition from suicides
That's a sacrifice every armed force should be willing to make. Just have to make sure that the suicides are leftists, soys and emos also make sure you don't fall behind in the annual suicide quota not good lads that had their morale and self-worth broken.
>you are wasting shitloads of money on the program
Conscripts do it for free. The cost of feeding them is counterbalanced by the slave-labour they perform.
>and on not having all those people working in the economy
Oh yes, writing subversive articles and making citizen Schlomo Shekelstein rich by wagecucking is such a positive contribution to their country's economy.
>All meds and other brown mutts are commie-leaning, it's in their blood.
>One of the longest lasting authoritarian(not including monarchies) government in Europe that actively supressed communists/marxists and liberalists.
>Sent the Viriatos Legion to help the Spanish fight against the communists.
>Was in a secret alliance with South Africa and Rhodesia against commies and niggers.
>Literally waged a war against communists in Africa,having only the help of "Alcora" while the niggers were being backed by basically everyone else.
Why must you do this to us m8?
>believing poplist proclamations made by the former communists
This leftist denial is getting boring.
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> none of the people who went through this will be some sort of a ready-made cannon fodder and will need to be retrained anyway should a war start since they would have forgotten everything and gotten out of shape, if that was their lifestyle prior to the conscription. Nobody I know who went through the conscription process thinks it a time well spent – it was a shit time spent doing pointless shit often with complete subhuman. The extent of knowledge gained was "I was taught how to clean my gun, but I forgot that long ago now, lol". The only positive anyone ever mentions is "it builds character :DDDD" and sure, it does that, unless you fucking an hero due to being tortured by subhumans for 2 years for symbolic pay all the while being exploited by higher ranks for slave labour. The "character building" is actually "enduring suffering or learning to be enough of a weasel to avoid suffering in the first place" which sure are valuable lessons, I guess, but at that point, you might as well literally enslave people for two years, whipping them every day while building actually useful shit rather than play soldiers.
Believe me I am among the last people that will try to convince you that conscription is a good experience for the individual but I am obliged to remind you it's a much better experience than its alternative, conscription by turks.
>Why must you do this to us m8?
Sharing the pain makes it easier to Slavs.
>it's a much better experience than its alternative, conscription by turks
Why would it be? You've already repeatedly stated that you're willing to make conscription as miserable and wasteful as you can, with all your hate towards any self-respecting person with any dignity left.
>talks about jewish projection.
Now that's what i call a recursion
>conscription teaches you very little of value
It turned me into a paratrooper
>Golden Dawn wanted to make conscription mandatory for every woman too
All men and women (with the exception of mothers) at the age of 18 will be drafted for 14 months. However, women will not be allowed in combat-related roles.
They will learn how to take care of the wounded, cook and exercise. If you see something wrong with this then you're a faggot.
Last I checked Moortugal didn't have access to Mediterranean.
In his mind it's probably like "just walk in, firmly shake your CO's hand and tell him you're from /k/ and you want to be in the kebab remover squad instead of the soyboy floor scrubber units".
Yes, I see everything wrong with trying to teach that to women when they're already 18 years old roasties instead of teaching them gradually since they're little. And there's something fundamentally wrong with taking them away from home and putting them in the midst of other mindless roasties, look no further than convents. They're not going to become good caretakers if they're not willing to learn this stuff out of their own volition.
>instead of teaching them gradually since they're little
There are plans on a complete change of the educational system too.
>learn this stuff out of their own volition
People are 25 years old and they don't know how to pay their bills, how to cook an egg, how to do laundry and yet you still think we can trust anyone to learn things "out of their own volition".
>Good enough for a patriot to learn the basics of war
Exercise and gun basics? You'd trade two years of your life for that shit?
>That's a sacrifice every armed force should be willing to make.
It breeds resentment from the population, wastes valuable workforce, and it's definitely not just soycucks that anhero. All it takes is to be unlucky - a couple gypsies deciding you'll be the new bitch and making your life hell, while the higher ranks don't give a single shit and other troops don't interfere since they have their own shit to deal with.
>Conscripts do it for free. The cost of feeding them is counterbalanced by the slave-labour they perform.
They labour they perform is of zero value to anyone and you need actual professional soldiers to be there at least from time to time so that there is at least some amount of expertise.
>Oh yes, writing subversive articles and making citizen Schlomo Shekelstein rich by wagecucking is such a positive contribution to their country's economy.
What sort of an argument is that? You realise EVERY SINGLE MALE (unless excusing himself by being an invalid or similar) will waste that time there, right? That it will aflict every single industry and service?
>You've already repeatedly stated that you're willing to make conscription as miserable and wasteful as you can
You either think that leftists and other cucks deserve rights or don't have the singlest clue what t*rkish conscript life looks like.
>shake your CO's hand and tell him you're from /k/ and you want to be in the kebab remover squad instead of the soyboy floor scrubber units
In Greece you can choose where to enlist. Anyone choose the special forces and as long as he passes the tests he will be accepted. The only retards who end up in soy units are anti-military fags who choose to be put into the most worthless places available.
They can choose to be paratroopers, trained in mountain warfare, artillerymen, engineers, even join the navy. And yet they instead go for some literally-who base in the middle of nowhere where all they do all day is wash dishes, look at paint dry and clean bathrooms.
You should end up in a hospital, nursed by a bitter nun who was put in the convent by her parents and missed out on life so she's taking it out on other people or some trust fund kiddie "doctor" whose rich doctor parents bought him a degree just so the kid could inherit their business.
It would be far better to bring back shit like boy scouts than to try training vapid roasties whose brains are already rotten and wired to think only about chad's cock and spending betabux.
>It breeds resentment from the population
Good. More closet commies to purge.
>Last I checked Moortugal didn't have access to Mediterranean.
We are still considered Mediterranean.
But even if you don't include Portugal,you still have:
Spain,who had one of the best fascist leaders(José António Primo de Rivera)and one of the best fascist movements( Falange Española Tradicionalista y de las Juntas de Ofensiva Nacional Sindicalista),that had a civil war to avoid going full commie.
Italy,the birthplace of fascism.
And Greece,who had civil war against communists,and that had miltary junta for a few years to avoid communist subversion.
oh you can also choose to be put into an armored division too, and even become a Leo tank commander
You lads need to elect the PNR
>leftists and other cucks deserve rights
So your whole population is those? Cause you're forcing everyone in there.
>don't have the singlest clue what t*rkish conscript life looks like
I don't, but you assured me quite well that greeks can beat them in savagery.
>you assured me quite well that greeks can beat them in savagery
Is it any surprise? As he bragged, they share the same blood.
>they share the same blood
And even bits of language.
I mean, yes, he wants to copy the turkish conscription system, basically, it seems. Maybe he should simply go to turkey himself, as to get closer to culturally similar people?
>ITT: slavtards don't like conscription because it hurts their feefees
They are actually somewhat decent,one of the few articles that they had dennounced Israel actions in Gaza and complained about USA "hipocrisy".
The biggest problems that i have with them is that they shill for "Lusitanian Integralism" that advocates for any non-white element in the country to "integrate",and that they want to avoid being put alongside the fascists in terms of ideology.
>they shill for "Lusitanian Integralism" that advocates for any non-white element in the country to "integrate",and that they want to avoid being put alongside the fascists in terms of ideology.
Ah, so they're fags too after all. Is there anyone else natsoc-tier?
>watch me run away as i project my butthurt on everyone else
Damn these evil slavtards, not allowing jewish breed to sperg rampant!
>greeks can beat them in savagery.
Or Streloks with military positions more complex than
>Airdropping in the middle of the pitch-black night in a swamp with literally 80kg of equipment and then marching for 5 miles through mud
Don't want even more unmotivated nigger-IQ leftists clogging up engineering and analyst positions.
>Ah, so they're fags too after all. Is there anyone else natsoc-tier?
Unfortunately no,i have seen some portuguese anons talkig about creating small fascist cells in different parts of the country.
Our best chance is for Spain to go,for some reason,in the same route that France did with the Yellow Vests,if a similar movement rises in Spain(even if it decides to be marxist) then Portugal will see a massive rise in Fascism.
>war is all rosepedals and pretty butterflies
The fuck happened to /k/?
The National guard is the standardization of a shitload of paramilitary units first you have everything that was "MVD VV":
SN - or special police commandos or spetsnaz. Operate in 16 battalion size units stationed across Russia (10,000 men) and would be those in your picture. There is also a 2-3 battalion size unit in the national reaction division.
ON - or operational force which are "light infantry" units ranging from the national reaction division (ODON 10,000 men) to regional brigades and regiments. Stationed across the country (30-35,000 men) but primarily in the West and Caucasus.
SM - special motorized military or military police type units ranging from division to battalion size. May also be called military commandant units in North Caucasus. Used for patrolling and guard duties based in large urban centers and the North Caucasus (40-50,000 men). In the North Caucasus there is little difference between the SM and ON forces, elsewhere they're mostly regular police reinforcement.
VG - military guard units ranging from Nuclear facilities, Defense Industries, Restricted Zones to other national strategic points. Closest US equivalent I can think off would be Capitol Police. Except if it was for Lockheed and cie…
Then you have the non VV units:
SOBR which are typical SWAT teams in cities.
OMON which is the riot special police (but retain an infantry training).
The multiple SWAT teams that were under other services for no discernible reason (FSKN, GAI, Restricted Zones response teams, etc…) all of which had their own vehicles, sometime their own helicopters…
Then you have the Okhrana.
The Okhrana is something really weird, basically realizing that the cops were understaffed, underpayed and pretty much already not moving unless payed directly in cash due to the 90's corruption… They just made it official.
They created a state enterprise… of PRIVATE security.
And it worked!
They basically split the police force in two, and run for profit half of it, while the other half was payed with taxes.
The half on state budget enjoyed a considerably bigger budget and after a few purges became way more professional, could concentrate on actual crime solving and major crimes, while the other half became mall ninjas wet dream association, AKA they're payed for the service they provide (guarding and patrolling) by businesses and associations and what not their job is mostly tossing drunkards out and teens horsing around but they're trained and supervised exactly the same as the real police, including response teams (private SWAT teams trained and certified by the State. Tell that to anyone that tells you Russia is communist next time) it also include private armies like Kadyrov's…
So when it appeared unified it was about the same as US """law enforcement""" (if you're charitable) with thousands of different units shopping for gear where they could depending of a thousand different entities for budget.
The National Guard thing is largely an administrative simplification which is basically "everyone with that does peace-keeping within the borders of Russia is subordinate to the Ministry of Interior, and there is only two Federal Service, the Police and the National Guard". with the National guard getting all the "intervention" style units as they can share the training facilities with the much bigger units that don't really do a police job.
It doesn't really change anything units-wise as each unit probably still do their unique jobs.
>if there are any plans to consolidate equipment and uniforms
Well they are phasing out tracked vehicle completely and seem to have standardized armor on the same MRAPs as the army experimental "super light" brigade so there is definitely some synergy there and they should be more standardized in the future.
All once standardized it can make for a decent reserve of trained light infantry that can quickly mobilized.
BTW only pic 2 is a unit merged in Rosgardia, the others look like FSB spetsnaz. The FSB keep it's spetsnaz and the border guards.
Reread my post and restate your argument, because you sound like a bad AI trying to converse.
Oh okay then, see:
We don't put fucking commies in vital operational positions. We put them on the grinder wherever actual and maintaining low casualties skill is not that important.
>nigger-IQ leftists clogging up engineering and analyst positions
They don't, they all become i-4 nobodies and they're used for cleaning toilets
you're goddamn right
Now why would you shoot a perfectly good loli? It's no wonder these guys lost the cold war.
She was used goods at that point
This never fails to make me both terribly sad and incredibly angry.
Definitely a good reminder to show no mercy to kikes and their commie golems.
Submarines don't hunt other submarines because the best way to find a submarine is with active sonar, and submarines don't use active sonar because it gives away their position.
If Greece won't declare war on Israel (or even a proxy war) by 2040, I'm doing things my way
But how will we be able to deliver proper justice if we know how to shoot?
>The remaining executioners shot chaotically and over each other's shoulders until the room was so filled with smoke and dust that no one could see anything at all in the darkness nor hear any commands amid the noise.
>While waiting for the smoke to abate, the killers could hear moans and whimpers inside the room. As it cleared, it became evident that although several of the family's retainers had been killed, all of the Imperial children were alive and furthermore, only Maria was even injured.
>The executioners were ordered to proceed with their bayonets, a technique which proved ineffective and meant that the children had to be dispatched by still more gunshots, this time aimed more precisely at their heads.
Have higher standards, Antonious.
>the killers could hear moans and whimpers inside the room
>ordered to proceed with their bayonets, a technique which proved ineffective and meant that the children had to be dispatched by still more gunshots
We need to come up with a torture horrible enough to make up for their jewish crimes. Thing is, not even scaphism would make up for it, and so we need to find or come up with something else. Mexican executions of cutting off faces isn't enough either. We need to go deeper
It logistically cannot happen before 2040, but I won't be fit for war after 2050 either so 2040 is the longest I can wait for an official declaration of war.
How about a blood eagle?
There has to be a scientific way to cause maximum-possible pain signals without however damaging the person's nerves.
Kills too quickly
I'm reading up stuff and it would seem that we could cause suicide-inducing tier pain by fucking around with the trigeminal nerve. Though that's just faggy information off of a quick search. I doubt it's that simple. I wonder if there truly is a list of the absolute worst thing the human body is physically capable of experiencing without instant shutdown
> the absolute worst thing the human body is physically capable of experiencing without instant shutdown
>Their economy is trash
Their economy is huge and they have massive resource / oil advantages over most other countries in the world. Their economy looks small compared to America and China, but in relative terms it's one of the biggest economies in the world.
Russian GDP is 1.5 trillion.
Italian GDP is 2 trillion
UK GDP is 3 trillion.
What are you smoking retard
>implying they couldn't roflstomp both simultaneously
How could they do that? GDP is like the mana pool of a country, you use it to summon
soldiers warfighters and matériel out of thin air. Russia has less GDP, therefore it's destined to lose in a war. Not to mention that they don't have democracy, and in the end that's what really matters.
t. Western politician
Well, Strelok, there are two ways to interpret that. Either Russia has somehow worse economy that a state fraction its size that's been flirting with bankrupcy for years now, or GDP is not a measurement metric (or your data is fucking wrong, but I trust you to have pulled them from a good source)
Wow thanks Frenchanon, this is far more comprehensive than anything I've ever found in English or Japanese.
I can detail it a bit more for the units that are oriented combat.
The way it's structured is:
Regional Command -> Division or Brigade -> Regiment or Battalion, generally a regiment is just 2 battalions with a HQ. Division/brigade can be a proper operational unit but typically it's an administrative local command with the attached support service.
There is a Headquarters and then the command is geographically split in 8 National Guard districts:
-Central district of the troops of the National Guard (Moscow), "eagle".
-Northwest district of the troops of the National Guard (Saint-Petersburg), "sphinx".
-Volga district of the troops of the National Guard (Nizhniy-Novgorod), "stag"
-South district of the troops of the National Guard (Rostov-On-Don), "?".
-North-Caucasus district of the troops of the National Guard (Pyatigorsk), "stallion",
-Ural district of the troops of the National Guard (Ekaterinburg), "salamander".
-Siberian district of the troops of the National Guard (Novosibirsk), "bear".
-Eastern district of the troops of the National Guard (Khabarovsk), "tiger".
Headquarters, command directly, national reaction units, "Panther", the national guard aviation (helicopters and transport planes), communications hub, etc…
(I don't know the animal for the South district that was created mostly on the Ukrainian MVD defecting units, unassigned animals are scorpion, lion, wolf, "griffon" is for the schools, "owl" is for the okhrana).
By troops types you have
- SN (spetsnaz) ~10,000 personnel in 18 units:
–"604th Center" former 1st and 8th OSN (Moscow), assigned to ODON "Dzerzhinsky Division",
–7th OSN "Rosich" (Novocherkassk)
–12th OSN "Ural" (Nizhny Tagil)
–15th OSN "Vyatich" (Armavir)
–17th OSN "Edelveys" (Mineralnye Vody)
–19th OSN "Ermak" (Novosibirsk)
–21st OSN "Tayfun" (Sosnovka)
–23rd OSN "Mechel" (Chelyabinsk)
–25th OSN "Merkuriy" (Smolensk)
–26th OSN "Bars" (Kazan)
–27th OSN "Kuzbass" (Kemerovo)
–28th OSN "Ratnik" (Arkhangelsk)
–29th OSN "Bulat" (Ufa)
–30th OSN "Svyatogor" (Stavropol)
–33rd OSN "Peresvet" (Moscow)
–34th OSN "Skif" (Grozny)
–35th OSN "Rus" (Simferopol)
–? OSN "Rosomak" (Zheleznogorsk).
- ON (light infantry type) ~37,000 personnel, 28 units.
–2nd ON regiment (Moscow), assigned to ODON "Dzerzhinsky Division"
–4th ON regiment (Moscow), assigned to ODON "Dzerzhinsky Division"
–5th ON regiment (Moscow), assigned to ODON "Dzerzhinsky Division"
–21st ON division (Sofrino)
–34th ON division (Shumilovo)
–42nd ON division (Angarsk)
–46th ON division (Grozny)
–47th ON division (Krasnodar)
–82nd ON division (Barnaul)
–102nd ON division (Makhackala)
–112th ON division (Simferopol)
Note that those "division" (sometimes they're called brigades too) aren't operational bodies but made up of the whole of spectrum of ON, SN, SM battalions. However the ON Divisions are (supposedly) capable to field a "normal size" mobile light infantry "reaction brigade" from their units.
Then you have the "Police Special Units" ~34,400 personnel
- OMON ~25,000 personnel in 21 units, riot police, they have been reformed fully and are at the size of a standard Russian motorized infantry battalion , except following the 2 Battalion 1 HQ that seem to be typical in the internal troops (VS 3/1HQ in the Russian army at large).
- SOBR ? companies size elements, SWAT. SOBR teams seem to have standardized around 150 men each so about 4 platoon of infantry + staff.
So yeah the Russian "quick reaction reserve" of light infantry is about the size of the current french land army.
How many time do we have to go over this?
You can't compare apples and bananas you need a common reference point, the reference point is energy as everything in an economy necesserily comes from it.
GDP comparison (as flawed as it already is) only makes sense when countries are paying their energy in $US (aka the infamous petrodollar), which is the case of almost every country due to the OPEP cartel and the US enforcement of oil trade in $US.
Almost every country except… Russia! That is the only developed country that DOESN'T buy it's energy in $US.
The result of this is that the only remotely valid mesurement of the Russian economy is gonna be GPD(PPP) knowing full well that PPP itself is a questionable measurement that can be largely inexact due to it's nature of over-weighting the commercial and civilian consumer goods market of a country which is of little help compared to State economy itself (and again Russia is outside the norm with most of it's major industrial conglomerates bieng State controlled coupled with an over-importation of consumer goods). In GPD(PPP) Russia is at the level of Germany, the reality pretty much everyone aggrees on is that it's probably somewhere between Japan and Germany… Which is around where Russia should be considering their population (Russia doesn't have half the population of the US and barely more than Japan) and their "poor economy" (IE: "for a 1st world state"… If they had a good economy they'd be in front of Japan).
>Uhh the universal measurement of gross domestic product isn't the universal measurement of gross domestic product because energy and ATCKHUALLY it needs to be measured with PPP
Poland has a per capita PPP higher than Russia
So does Hungary, Portugal and Latvia.
Or maybe one is pervasively corrupted while the other can budget itself
You could probably do something with those microwave weapons America is working on.
That's a good point. Sort of the opposite of what my military does, namely waste my tax dollars on overpriced bids, new tech, and to cover the legal fees of some crayon muncher who can't help but rape locals.
>I'm A BURGGGEEEEERRR.
What part of
>"PPP itself is a questionable measurement that can be largely inexact due to it's nature of over-weighting the commercial and civilian consumer goods market of a country which is of little help compared to State economy itself"
didn't you get?
All of it?
PPP is largely a measure of the CIVILIAN ECONOMY, which in Russia IS UNDERDEVELOPED' compared to the average developed country.
Tell me does Poland, Hungary or Latvia have a GIGANTIC military-industrial complex and resource extraction complex?
You know the shit I just told you is NOT counted for PPP.
And by civilian economy you must remember that DEBTS (both public and private, all are held by civilian banks) count as WEALTH and are currently SEVERAL TIMES the yearly GPD of most developed countries…
A good way to see who is living on someone else money is the NIIP. The pics says it all.
>The result of this is that the only remotely valid mesurement of the Russian economy is gonna be GPD(PPP
> good way to see who is living on someone else money is the NIIP
Pick one you literal retard
Those two statement aren't opposed you fucking 80 IQ irish whore/nigger hybrid.
>the only remotely valid mesurement of the Russian economy is gonna be GPD(PPP
Yes they are
Screech more, you've contradicted yourself twice over trying to defend the Russian economy
>cause suicide-inducing tier pain by fucking around with the trigeminal nerve
I've seen people with neurofibromatisis where their Trigeminal nerve gets compromised. It's not enough for knocking you out but it's enough to overcome morphine lightly. Like >>666566 says, maybe there's some fancier way to induce more severe pain (I'm thinking more of an agonist for some sort of metabotropic channel exclusive for free nerve endings), but the trigeminal is easier to affect. Just a knife and knowing its location is enough for dealing quite debilitating pain. I've seen people with neurofibromatosis that affected their trigeminal nerve and they needed a regimen of painkillers in order to control the pain.
Polite sage for offtopic.
No I haven't, you're just too fucking stupid.
You must be talking about Canada, USA is 50 years ahead of Russia. They just use propaganda most of the time.
>want to guess how much of a Russian conscript is focused on those topics?
yes im willing to guess. i would bet they barely go over any topics. period. even military ones, because
you've bought into the slavbu propaganda bullshit hard, about how russians are some super hardy, down to earth, no bullshit fighting force
that disparity in money you see isn't because russians are so much better at doing stuff than other powers. its because theres a point of diminishing returns for increased performance in military hardware. western nations are willing to spend outrageous amounts of money for the cutting edge of performance. meanwhile russia can barely muster the funds to keep its ships from rotting in the docks. let alone fully modernize and competently train its military
another thing you dont seem to realize is that all bureaucracies are barely functioning messes. you've probably heard much about american or canadian military absurdities. however i can guarantee you that the western countries bureaucratic tangle works better than russia's bureaucratic tangle. all the issues of russian society are reflected in its military, namely massive corruption, a declining population, and alcoholism. having to listen to a powerpoint brief about how being a tranny is alright is a mild problem in comparison.
in 1945, Jews appointed by FDR to "manage" the Atomic Bomb project stole secrets and gave them to fellow Jews in USSR.
THAT is why Russia has a military today.
>USA is 50 years ahead of Russia.
In what? Name a field of military technology ffs. You're 50 years ahead in quantity and money and sheer construction manpower maybe.
Take the 1.5 trillion dollars America spends on military, and spend it on:
>A) American way of doing things by splitting factories in all fifty states and marrying obsolete tech with one or two hyper performance parts that are wayyy past diminishing returns of R&D.
>B) If you took the way Russians do things, centralizing factories near resource base, and the simplicity and practicality of their technology.
Which version will give you more bang for the American taxpayer dollar.
I don't know, you're still basically just saying "we have money", which doesn't mean your tech is any better. You're kind of proving that Russians are a super hardy, down to earth, no bullshit fighting force.
There is zero fat on the Russian military industrial complex, no one is making fat stacks of dough, it's about as high performance as these things get.
Why not emulate it?
Oh jeez here's the kikebait. Retard the USSR government was led by a Russian exactly twice in its entire history, and is responsible for the ethnic cleansing of 75 million Russians.
Alot of words to show you are ignorant on this subject. AD USAF here.
Retired six star general ex JCOS advisor moved to Canada to enjoy the maple and bird hunting here.
What wuld Russia's military be like today had they signed some armistice with the German Empire in late 1915/early 1916, leading to the Central Powers winning the war and the Tsar not getting himself and his entire Family ritually murdered by (((them)))?
>30% of it is some xenopidoraha's asshurt
Another day, another reason to implement the Internet User Licenses requiring age of 18 and passing written exam to obtain.
for american airplanes you need perfectly clean airports, russian airplanes dont care, you can repair lots of things with just basic tools..
i knew a guy who repaired grounded afghan mi24 with his bare hands and basic tools, american were watching in awe, amazed..
in case of on going war russian planes would be still flying while western planes would be grounded soon without spare parts
russian military equipment is your 60s car that you can repair at home and western equipment is your modern Tesla that you have no chance to repair without specialized repair facility
THIS. Americans seem to have a fantasy view of 'economics' that is honestly, not real at all.
For example: just because stocks are up doesn't mean its good just as if their down it doesn't mean its bad either. In fact the stock market is an investors' casino, to enrich bankers and CEOs and shareholders, NOTHING ELSE. Its NOT the real economy. Investors can make or lose money, thats pretty much it, a casino. Lots of people here think the economy is great when in fact 3 out of 4 factories are still closed down from all the years of outsourcing.
Russia is different. They utilize their own resources big time, they don't have debts like we do, they never outsourced their industries, they manage to get things built for DIRT CHEAP….. unlike here in the US where the Navy spends $700 for each toilet bowl lid made in Taiwan!
Get it, OP?
>was led by a Russian exactly twice
Who's the second?
Because one of them is Gorbatchev who fucking dismantled the USSR.
Lol, I love Russia's propaganda, *proof that their military readiness may not be so accurate* But our electronic warfare is amazing, and we have the best people on it! (Only 150 million people) Lol, I think it's hilarious! It's always what's just behind the curtain for them, and what you can see just isn't ever up to par. It's kind of hilarious you have to admit!
>Who's the second?
Malenkov? Although he barely ruled the USSR.
Not to derail the thread, but do you guys like those NORA B 52s you bought from us or are they complete shit?
Vietnam vs France
Vietnam vs US
Vietnam vs China
Vietnam vs Cambodia
they're pretty neato
>aliens try to invade Vietnam
>have their spaceships stolen
>gooks are the first ones to achieve interstellar travel so they can sell shitty baseball caps to ayys
They're better than gay archer which costs as much as two F-5 freedom fighters.
>how is Russia's military still relevant
Because as bad as Russia's military is, most non-NATO countries are 10 times worse. You'd be surprised at the degree of general incompetence to be found across the world. Otherwise because they can afford to send tanks at the problem until it decides to bother someone else.
>produce their own shit
You'd be surprised at how much worse this system is. The US abandoned it during Vietnam because it only served to further the nepotistic interests of those within that system at the detriment of the actual troops doing the fighting.
As fucked up as it sounds, the retarded military-industrial system of the US today produces higher quality equipment faster and with less dead soldiers than the legacy system of in-house production and development.
This doesn't just affect the US, it was a massive hamstring to the Soviet military throughout it's history, it still is a massive hamstring for the Russian military and more or less any military that relies on it.
Go to the nearest watch floor, grab the first 20-something analyst that refuses to make eye contact, and give him your job. You clearly type like a Gen X and I hope to god you're not tier 2+.
>real unironic boomerposting
This is real right?
Its astounding how many people, specifically burgerniggers, think the realeconomy is somehow tied to the derivatives shenanigans of a bunch of parasitic bankster kikes
>As fucked up as it sounds, the retarded military-industrial system of the US today produces higher quality equipment faster and with less dead soldiers than the legacy system of in-house production and development.
That's wrong though. You also forgot how much more expensive the jewish military-industrial complex is for the fatmerican tax-payer.
Given the size of your country and population (5-10 million people) you're actually producing a lot of interesting weapons. I mean New York is larger and has more people with NY police department having more infantry than Serbia. Compared to the world size of nations vs their military effect I would put yours at something like UK or Italy sized, which have ten times more people.
B52 is interesting because its a heavy artillery system that's completely self sufficient. It can fight its way through enemy infantry with armament comparable to an IFV, cross mud, forest, road and river to set itself up, and then it can proceed to fuck up a target 35 miles away while surviving counterbat fire. There's nothing on the planet which comes close to that, most truck based systems are too lightly armed and armored, and most tracked systems lacked the personnel and ammo capacity to do any harm without a fleet of supply trucks.
You also have an interesting mini cruise missile (ALAS), an interesting mini ballistic missile (Sumadija), and interesting rifle (M21) which beats western designs for accuracy and eastern designs for reliability. It's fucking mind boggling you haven't conquered your neighbors by now.
OOF man, time for some reality wake up call - it's not that peachy. Everything you mentioned is still being developed and is being continuously upgraded and "improved" without going into mass production, except rifle M21 (which is domestic plastic 5.56x45 AK, sold to Africans to genocide other Africans, e.g. Cameroon massacre of 2018) and early versions of NORA. Reasons? Not so competent head figures of the projects and sucking up all that miserable military budget, yes, even poor nations have their Lockheeb.
That being sad, we do have more military industry and research capabilities than others and we do export far more arms and ammo than anyone around us, except maybe the Bulgars. Opportunities are there to develop really neat weapons which you mentioned such as that missile system Šumadija and ALAS system, but corruption and lack of money and lack of political will and foreign political pressures AND few other things are making these projects hard to compete. We won't mention that some of these projects started back in the 80s and are only now hitting the shelves. NORA is not the only one armored, G6 is also there. There's just not enough money for lots of new funz, most of the money is spent on salaries and such and whatever remains is sucked dry by crooks who sell their retarded self-jerking fantasies about "what our new, modern weapon systems should look like" or is not enough for projects that are actually worth money.
Fuck if I know, maybe I'm just too blackpilled after reading all the local forums and following local news and reading some inside info. But again when I see how our neighbours kvetch and whine about our somewhat decent successes or mock us I can't help but think we may actually pull it off and actually create more advanced and affordable system in near future.
I would gladly fight in a war for the purpose of securing my children's and the children of like-minded individual's future, and for the betterment of mankind, but possibly dying for the benefit of kikes doesn't make a man.
Senseless war is as degenerate as the trannies and faggots everyone here hates.
Why do Serbs have a tendency to shit on themselves? Is it just crab mentality?
When you're blackpilled, you can't ride the hypetrain.
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
Dunno if relevant, but it clearly shows on Russian television (I'd give it 8/10 for propaganda value btw) that the Russian military is state owned and they're having an as-publicly-clear-as-possible approach to militarism, since everybody knows how much needed it is to be able to fight back from encroachment yet not bee too intimidating for others for them to start attacking them out of fear.
After the announcement of their upper hand in the atomic race again thanks to some new mach 10 nukes, the Russians try to adapt to their superiority at the moment, they all know, can be used to perpetuate conflict if not born with humility. I think they all know this.
I don't think morale has been higher at any time. Nationalism is rampant and freely expressed, uniting several peoples under one flag. Current government is redpilled.
There are lots of social issues still. There is room for the willing to turn the gears of this flexible and growing economy. They economy might be in some regards seen as one of the most promising, as I see it. The main factor here is how the ethnic Russian Jews and ethnic Russian spirit tries to cooperate as much as possible, thanks to their common enemy. Lots of international interests still got their grip on a lot of infrastructure, and we might be aware of how 'nationalized' institutions and projects might in fact be under cover sold out to international interests. But even if that's happening, it's the least amount of corruption they try to aim for. It's better to forgive theft for 10x if the value of operative production is 1000x to the rest of the country. Sleigh of hand is common practice for people who reach the top. It's almost mandatory, yet frowned upon. They strive for balance, atleast.
I think high-precision weaponry like missiles and air superiority usually wins the tactical battle, and Russia is currently doubling down on manufacture of these missiles. They won Syria, and most of the mad muslim mercenaries in the area have been taken out. It might take 5-10 years for the next Jihad wave to be recruited.
The next proxy war the western military complex wants to create will be in South America if anywhere. Russia will deliver the peace keeping weaponry solutions, as the energy cabal needs boots on ground to secure their profits.
Russian morale is the highest of all the big players, I think. They're on the defensive. Chinese military is lowest and American patriotism clearly is big enough to cover half of the globe with highly trained killers.
This is new.
> American patriotism clearly is big enough to cover half of the globe
>being in countries completely unrelated to the one you sworn to protect for no other reason than to get gibs and rape white women
Pick one, it's just mystery meat and negroids being given guns and sent to kill, rape or maim enemies of israel.
Hooktube is dead, fam. The owner got stomped by Google, and now it's just a direct YouTube embed website. Use invidio.us instead.
Why is every nation using these now? Yeah, sure being able to use active-earpro/radio-headsets is non-negotiable by now, but you can integrate that capability into national designs instead of buying the same shit from the same company as everyone else. Now every nation looks the same. Why did the big sandbox ruin all aesthetics in the military?
It's O.K anon, things will get better after everyone that's over the age of 60 dies off or civil war, whichever comes first.
Efficiency, I guess. Also, back when you'd be able to 'see the white in their eyes' you probably were sure of what front you were fighting on to start off with, thus making it smart to brand your forces with 'traditional clothing' or a unifying form, uniform.
Yeah, sure it's efficient to funnel all money from all helmet procurement from next to all countries on earth to one company. Nothing bad can come from a near monopoly on helmet production and exporting.
The privatization of military industry was a mistake. I blame the Br*ts.
You know very well which will come first… and it won't be the age…
The price of vice is the loss of liberty. The ruler of a nation only needs to force laws (justifiable laws that is) when people don't act neighborly and civilized. So for conscription, it would only be justified if there was a need that no one is voluntarily filling, and with most of the countries that conscript, the outcome is usually garbage, and truly does ruin a nation. You wouldn't have the heroin epidemic in the US and Russia if it weren't for attempts to play world police in Vietnam and Afghanistan with conscripts whose lives are taken from under their feet. It used to be that car accidents were the number one cause of death in the US, now it's drug overdose.
Unless you are protecting your border or removing invaders, conscription seems self destructive in the long run.