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Hello guy's the moderator of /leftpol/ has decided he wants a break. So I'm gunna be moderating the this board for awhile.


>Rules are going to be the same as before.

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>wtf it's like the individuals on this board don't all believe the same exact thing!?


>they censor fashies

When did this happen? iirc they have that one jaggoff there who spergs on every thread about how he's going to use whatever it is to kill de ebil joooooos

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Can you capitalize Alunya properly?

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I started reading Thomas More's Utopia recently and was wondering if we could get a thread going about left wing literature. Anyone else read this and have thoughts on the book? Can it be considered proto-socialist?

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Feel free to rewrite it in any language you wish.

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The left can't create class solidarity with these spergs and their antics

I don't care if Tucker is technically an elite. Harassing his wife while she's home alone and breaking down their door is fucking stupid. The working class is being galvanized right now, and instead of approaching them about more far leftism, instead we get bourgeois edgy retards representing us. All SJW's/idpolers/anarkiddies need to be purged and disowned. People like Shaun and worthless and only damage class solidarity with their shortsightedness. Youtube channels have exploded since gamergate, and it's a good platform for pushing more taboo concepts like workers owning the means of production. The left has no real voice, it has no real leader, either in the real world or on the internet. The least annoying is Jason Unruhe, but it's confusing as shit why we let Xexizy or badmouse represent leftism online.

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Yeah, buddy, you back mainstream liberal politicians who might be dog whistling at you. SJWs BTFO!



It's just satisfying to see leftists sperg out, wondering why the working class is abandoning them. You shafted the working class, and now they'll elect people like bolsonaro who will just purge you. It's necessary for anticapitalism sentiment to live, getting rid of you.



>Why do rightists get so worked up over this strawman of the SJW-left they built up in their head?

Because the reactionary of today mostly exists online and is chiefly concerned with internet battles and memes, they don't want to deal with "da reel movement" because it is located in places they will never linger, the workplace and the neighborhood.


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>lol i troll u

>mfw I realize that the entire aut-right is the political incarnation of newfags

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Veganism is idpol. Its liberal lifestylism and ethical consumption and therefore cannot be tolerated under any leftist movement.

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Not if you're not a statist???



Yes. Murder and terrorism are illegal acts defined in law. Laws as they currently stand are a product of the bourgeoisie. In the UK, sharing leftist literature, is considered terrorism now because it endangers the 'safety of the State'. Murder also has a definition. For example, the State cannot commit murder, we call it 'execution' and is legal. Law enforcement also practically cannot commit murder. We have seen a lot of videos of cops committing murder, yet they're not charged with murder.



There's a difference between hunting wild animals and farming them on an industrial scale.



Irrelevant. If killing an animal is wrong, then it's wrong no matter the method. If it's not, then the method is irrelevant.



So how do you plan to end meat consumption?

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A thread about those kinds of YouTubers who will do more harm than good for the left. Pic related are my picks, Thom Avella, Peter Coffin and Thought Slime. All of them are actually embracing right-wing memes by being "ironic soyboy furry cucks to trigger the right", which is not what you should do. Also Peter Coffin is a grifter and a creep. The only difference between those guys and the OG SJWs from the early 2010s is they can actually formulate a sentence without stuttering, but that doesn't change that they are still massively dislikable and unappealing.

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>ho gives a shit, write essays or books, don't force me to endure poor quality of the media because despite what people might say it does fucking matter. I was gonna say I wish there was a youtube for text, but I guess that's medium.com

They will never do that because if you are actually writing papers people will check your sources and bibliography and take apart your bullshit. YouTubers use the medium of jumpcuts, overly fast talking, strawmanning, stream of consciousness etc. deliberately so people can't actually deconstruct them.

Just imagine Contra's capitalism videos in writing. What a mess.



>Contra's capitalism videos

what is wrong with her videos on capitalism?


>unironically getting mad at people trying to make leftism more accessible to normies

Don't worry guys, I'm that we will form the vanguard party.



>what is wrong with her videos

Oh shit, now I have to watch something which already takes five times as long as reading the corresponding script would. In addition to that, I have to constantly stop and write down what is said in order to obtain what I would just copy-paste when dealing with text and also deal with ambiguous pronunciation. Precise sources referring to specific pages in books are replaced in speech by references to a book's title alone, or worse, just the name of the author (and don't you count on getting the whole name of the author, you see verbal communication is a lot about figuring out who doesn't belong by constantly making cryptic references to stuff the in-group already knows about).

All in all, these operations take about twenty times as long as the corresponding operations when dealing with text. And what's the payoff? When you present that as handy text, are people thankful? Pfffft no. Your cold letters got nothing on the instinctive emotional connection created by staring at the mug of somebody who pretends he's talking to you. In the battle of human face versus abstract letters, even ugly faces win.

You could create a video I suppose, to level the playing field, and then, if there is anybody who wants to analyze the merit of your claims rather than doing cheap shots appealing to the prejudices of one's audience, that person will have to go through all the shit mentioned in the first paragraph. And so on, back and forth. Well, let's be real, that back and forth doesn't happen because vloggers can't be really arsed to have any analytical back and forth where they actually reflect on what they say, unlike some bloggers. Just do the math for the time it would take to have an exchange for three or four rounds. So instead, vloggers just repeat some position and appeal to an audience that is not won over by what you say, but already believes all that and/or is thirsty as fuck, and they have no deeper interactions with each other than

>u r dum

<no u

Watching vloggers gives you brain worms. Forget Post too long. Click here to view the full text.



Cockshott tho

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Share them, also I would love some clarifications on this one.

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>socialism working is piles of dirty diapers

u need to rethink your PR strategy anon


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The police force is currently hard at work desperately looking for pictures online of the security guard smoking weed.

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The working class is composed of a variety of races. I agree with what you said but it doesn't contradict the point that the police force is used to oppress the working class, not a specific race.

However it is also important to keep in mind that the police force is part of the state which is owned by the bourgeoisie. Eventually the working class will need to either crush the police force or take it over and turn it towards an instrument of oppression owned by the proletariat.

In capitalist society, the police force is a tool of the bourgeoisie however it doesn't have to be that away. In order to overthrow capitalism in the first place, the state and its apparatuses like the military and police force will either need to be beaten down by a proletarian army or taken over because even the police and the military are starting to lose their wages. There is a widening rift between the lower level police and their management and the military officers and their sergeants which is something that can be exploited.



I think the most confusing part of the "good guy with a gun mentality." Is who wants to be that guy? If I was armed and witnessed some random act of violence why the fuck would I want to get involved? Doubley so for anyone that's not white. It's just such a weird train of thought.


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>invoking the problem of induction in an argument about sociological phenomena

We're reaching sophistry levels that shouldn't even be possible.



>don't disagree with me or you like niggers




waddup my /pol/ack

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🤔 really gets ur noggin joggin

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>everyone who isn't me is a lifestylist or red fascist

>t. bookchin



Respect my pronouns, you shitlord. They are








Bookchin was a liberal and as Zizek says, liberalism always leads to Fascism.



Both of the people in this screencap are schizo tankies who have breakdowns if you say “retarded.”


can we purge the liberals yet

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The Jews are responsible for destroying the Soviet Union

Gorbachev, who started the Perestroika, had no plans. The Jews were the ones who had the plans. An Autonomous Region in Siberia wasn't enough for them, they began spreading. Now everywhere in the former Soviet Union there are representatives of this human-hating nation. Jews had spread everywhere to destroy the Russian ethnicity. They destroyed the Soviet Union so the Russian population would live in poverty and hunger. There are too many Jews in the Russian bourgeoisie. The ones who are exposing the Jews are silenced. Of course, Jews and Muslims are prospering in Russia, and are making their own rules. And who sold Russia to the Jews? Khrushchev. The post-Stalin USSR was a cover-up for Jews to chip off pieces of Russia one by one. Crimea was given to Ukraine. Chechnya stole Russian territory. Speaking of Ukraine, all the Eastern Slavs are part of the same ethnicity - the Russian ethnicity, and it's the Jews who are dividing them. The post-Stalin USSR gave them too much power, so they had started their plans for destroying the Russian ethnicity. A representative of Israel in 2012 had actually thanked the Jews for destroying the USSR. Fuck this filthy capitalist nation

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>First Image


Lenin was More Mongolian / Kalmulk then he was Jewish

>Second image

<Un-Sourced claim

>Third Image


Received Lung cancer treatment in Soviet Prison

Wife literally admitted that the books he wrote were just straight up paid 3rd Reich / NATO propaganda

>4th and 5th

Dont know about the first one but Ismail on /marx/ has already pointed out that the second guy was some Paranoid schizoid poster New York


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>this is what /pol/ infants actually believe


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>is it edgier to hate Jews or Muzzies?

>Can't we just admit Abrahamic faiths of all sorts suck?

>I do wanna cream pie Hila from H3H3 though





So /pol/, explain this to me. You think Jews were behind the Russian Revolution and USSR, right. And you think those Jews were "bad". I won't waste time pointing out that the former is proven untrue and the latter is unprovable either way, but ask you a simple question: why would such an evil people as the Jews bestow so much good on the people as happened in the USSR? You are aware that literacy was raised to almost 100%, unemployment and homelessness were almost eradicated, the fastest industrialization in human history was accomplished, a more democratic model than what existed before was installed and the famines that had plagued the region for ages was broken, right? All this doesn't exactly seem like the actions of evil people who only want to destroy humanity.>>106489

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ITT - Questions/Topics that don't warrant knocking a thread off page 15. If you think it'll start a long reply chain, make a thread.

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No. Friederick Engels was a class traitor in the other direction–a bourgeois owner of the means of production who advanced the cause of the proletariat.


If co-ops aren't socialism, then they are capitalism. My question is: what kind of capitalism are they? That is, what qualifier should one use to differentiate them from current capitalism?



No. There are some things that are not socialist that are also not capitalist.

Depending on the type and structure of the co-op, it can be a socialist or even communist organization to the degree that implementing either of those things is possible while still inside of a capitalist global economic situation.



This is correct >>106789

A co-op could be any mode of production really. For my answer I'm assuming you're talking about worker-owned enterprises that operate in a market producing commodities for profit (worker co-ops).

>My question is: what kind of capitalism are they?

I'd call it proletarian capitalism. They have rid capitalism of the capitalist class. Or more precisely proletarianized the capitalist class and capitalized the proletarian class into a synthesis where the workers are the managers but the conditions force them to exploit themselves in order to profit and be competitive.


What exactly is "critical theory"? Is it inherently leftist?

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Is there any English translations of Erich Mühsam?

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Your saying I'm gonna have to… learn g*rman!



>assuming its good

"Der Revoluzzer" is god tier banter.



More like Revoloser, amirite?



Was he a anarchist or soviet?


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Mixed, but more anarchist leaning. Back in those days, the distinction between those two type of communists wasn't clear as Soviet orthodoxy has not yet been established and the Soviets themselves weren't entirely sure where to go from here. For example, Ernst Toller was a leading anarchist writer yet took on political offices in the Bavarian Soviet Republic.

When the Bavarian Red Guards (which were clearly Bolshevik-oriented), Eugen Leviné and Max Levien took over, and those two were defintely hardline Bolsheviks/Leninists. Leviné got trained in Russia (where he got gulag'ed by the Tsar in 1906-1908). However, Ernst Toller continued working with them and organized the Bavarian Red Guards in the following days. Mühsam staid in prison after the attempted right-wing coup where he was captures, and the government wasn't able to capture that prison. The third founder of the Bavarian Soviet Republic, Landauer, was disappointed by being sidelined by Leviné and resigned from office. He was more of a philosopher than politician anyway.

Eugen Leviné had one of the most badass last words, by the way. When the right-wing/Freikorps firing squat executed him, he said "we communists are always dead people on vacation." after he was told that he was sentenced to death.

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Hear me out, cause I wanna hear all your opinions on this shit. The image is somewhat related, although I don't agree with its presentation.

I got into this conversation with someone who I thought was a full-on capitalist but was thoroughly surprised when he stated he was anti-corporation and pro-worker.

He and I turned out to be on the same boat when it comes to forcing the capitalists to bend to the will of the workers.

In the end, the only difference I found between us is the idea of individualism vs collectivism. Who should own what? I'm not a big statist but I'm not one to value material possessions either, so I'm not sure where I stand. The needs of the workers are collective, but that all starts at the individual needs and desires as well.

I believe that wealth HAS to be redistributed, but he believes that, by some miracle, workers will come together (whether or not they're part of organized unions) and make businesses bend to their will. Whether it be through strikes or threatening to quit in massive numbers to favor other competitors, he believes that businesses (no matter how big they are) would opt to be better. This includes giving them higher pay, quality benefits, and overall better treatment. This is idealistic thinking at best, but then again… isn't that what all of this is? Just blanket statements?

We never talked about social programs and government involvement with everyday life, it was only economics for now. I'm just here because I wanted your opinions on individualism vs collectivism.

I believe it's very unlikely that private businesses will completely disappear, even a revolt in my country wouldn't spark enough of a change like that. We're too hellbent on compromise, so I find these kind of conversations interesting and necessary.

Go wild. Educate me :D


>Individualism vs Collectivism

Collectives and Individuals exist in harmony. There is no conflict or contradiction. Without a collective to be distinct from, your individuality doesn't mean anything concretely. A collective is made up of individuals, whereas if nobody is distinct they are instead simply an undistingushed mass.

Pragmatically speaking you need each to have the other as well. A single person must see to all their needs at once. Without division of labor, they are much less efficient, much less skilled, and must spend all their life toiling to subsist. Such a person has no opportunity to be an individual. In the same sense, if a multitude of people are all the same they are inefficient, unskilled, and bound to toil constantly. Only through coordinating and dividing labor so that specialization and efficiency can reduce socially necessary labor time can a group be a collective - an entity unto itself - rather than a mass of non-individuals, a herd basically.


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>I believe that wealth HAS to be redistributed, but he believes that, by some miracle, workers will come together (whether or not they're part of organized unions) and make businesses bend to their will.

Is this the main disagreement with the other person? Neither is wrong or right necessarily. You can't just ridistribute wealth. The mode of production has to be changed. The way that production is controlled has to be changed. It would definitely help to redistribute the houses and cars in addition to the factories and farms, but just doing the houses and cars isn't good enough. Workers taking over the business is in itself enough, but it would benefit if wealth was also seized or otherwise redistributed instead of just doing that with the wealth-creating resources.

How you do any of this specifically and concretely is the important question, though, and all this is rather vague.



The ideological concepts of “individualism” and “collectivism” are intellectually vacuous, have no application in reality, and are only used by teenage brainlets who just learned took political science 101. Never argue with anyone who tries to describe ideologies in those terms.




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This is gonna happen and it's gonna be free of niggers and whites, and it's gonna be epic.

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also why are there administrative divisions in Burgerland and Baja, but not the rest of Mexico?


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Is it going to break the Dollar hegemony?

With Cali and Texas you got two MVPs switching sides.

Btw, it would be strategically better to cut the US completely off the West Coast.


What about all the huwhite hispanics and black hispanics?



What are Oregon and Washington, Alex?


>it's gonna be spic

fixed that for you pablito

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If we're moving here we may as well bring the best part of /leftypol/ along with us.

Movies, anime, music, feels, e-celebs, internet drama, fetishes and shitposting ITT

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>People expect that a Nazi would have to be twirling their mustache and calling for genocide to qualify, but the surface level was nowhere near that obvious.

It WAS that obvious. Has no one on here read Mein Kampf? Literally pages of autistic screeching and threats of war and colonization etc.



that board is deader than my dreams, anon.

in hindsight I should have included some examples of the music I liked in the animays highlighted, but now its late, its too late


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nazis ran two simultaneous propaganda campaigns: one was their explicit appeals to nationalism and militarism in Mein Kampf that was designed to appeal to the far-right german nationalists, and the other was when they presented themselves to the german public and the business elites as moderate anti-communists. At the time commentators looked at Hitler's autistic screeching as a personality quirk and assumed that the nazis would never be able to actually implement something like the holocaust.


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Ya but if you've read Mein Kampf you'd know that Hitler's an idiot and you shouldn't vote for him. Nobody actually read Mein Kampf like it's claimed, its writing is terrible, Hitler mostly came to power through standard politics and campaigning on fears. Look at stuff like Triumph of Will, the Nazis promised to help people, bring jobs, add security, and give every German a better life. Except there was an asterisk next to German that said that the term "German" does not include Jews, Gays, disabled people, Blacks, Gypsies, etc. The Nazis never initially campaigned on killing the Jews, they just never said they wouldn't. They did campaign on starting a new world war so there's no excuse there, same way the Americans didn't get plenty of warning with Mr. Orange.



>that board is deader than my dreams

It's recently been having activity so…

And hey be the change you want to be m8, isn't that the theme of this board?

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