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 No.2236958[Reply]

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/>>2845786

My mistake, shits gone. Good job.




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 No.2824322[Reply]

It's that time again - bring your criticism and suggestions for /leftypol/ to the table and talk to the mods.

I'll probably keep it pinned for about a week.

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 No.2845257

>>2845248

Yes, killed too, now tell us your criticism!




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 No.2300211[Reply]

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 No.2845854

does anyone have K-Punk: The Collected and Unpublished Writings of Mark Fisher?




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 No.518058[Reply]

Backup boards:

https://bunkerchan.xyz/leftypol/

http://www.getchan.net/

Other boards:

>>>/anarcho/

>>>/marx/

>>>/freedu/

>>>/leftyweebpol/

>>>/gnussr/

>>>/leftpol/

Groups:

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/leftypol

http://qchat.rizon.net/?channels=leftypol

Leftybooru:

http://lefty.booru.org/

/leftypol/'s magazine:

http://bunkermag.org/

http://spectrerouge.com/

FAQ:

>How can you call yourselves leftist politically incorrect?

/leftypol/ posters are allowed to voice opinions that offend liberals, SJWs, and so on. All sects on the left are allowed to post on /leftypol/, leading to plenty of fighting and shitflinging between leftists, which other forums might ban. However, this was only a minor consideration in the naming of /leftypol/. Since the concept is simply a leftist version of /pol/, the entire name of /pol/ was retained.

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>>2839522

https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=d7jJMYJbAKc

>obviously Alex Jones will never face the US govt with a gun in his hands.

Alex jones's lawyer says hes playing a character, which makes sense when you see how he makes a cartoon of himself for laughs.

>But I think /leftytrash/ is a better place to discuss that.

probably.




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 No.2846072[Reply]

>mods think anchoring my thread will make me stop posting

Have you learned nothing from the last one? You people really are slow.

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 No.2846162

>>2846155

>Either that, or a slow slide into a world best described as a shitty cyberpunk with all the corporate control and none of the cool tech. I at least wanted flying cars in my cyberpunk future…

And I agree, we have many obsticles, but it is these that give our existence meaning, not meaninglessness.

It is that pain, that struggle that gives us goals, that provides us with the ability to overcome not only an enemy but also ourselves.

Human kind represents nature that has become self-regulating and self-aware. We represent the transformative potential of the entire universe. Some people look to the stars and are impressed by their vastness and magnificence, but it is the stars that ought look down on us and wonder!

We can mend that which is broken, we can put order to chaos, create meaning where none is found. We can impose kindness and lovingness upon a universe that until we came along, was only indiffent and cruel.

You possess the power, the magnificent transformative potenital to decide the very destiny of all of existence.

Nothing matters more than that, and nothing is more beautiful than the path we walk on when we just have a little bit of faith in the idea that things could be better.


 No.2846163

>>2846160

>you can probably have a discussion there

…or I could have a discussion here.

>>2846161

>he doesn't know how to redtext

SAD!

>>2846162

>that wall of text

Jesus christ /leftypol/, brevity!


 No.2846165

>>2846163

tl;dr if you truly believe that things are as bad as they can be, then things can get better.

Is that struggle not a purpose in of itself? Is what you're doing right now not struggling as an attempt to find purpose?


 No.2846169

>>2846162

Okay, this is epic


 No.2846170

>>2846165

More like struggling to have a discussion on the most effective way to restrain a commiecat so that one may drain themselves into her as she begs for mercy.

>then things can get better

Ha ha. He he. Ho ho. Ha he ho ha.




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 No.2846168[Reply]

Whats the deal with Vietnam? Are they still good, or were they ever good to begin with?



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 No.2263573[Reply]

ITT: movies, anime, music, feels, e-celebs, internet drama, fetishes, shitposting, etc.

This is a voluntary thread that users can choose to post in, if… I forgot the rest of whatever the old OP was. Honestly, I just wanted to bring this old thread back.

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>>2846089

>He's right this time tho.

No one is blaming the memes themselves though. They are blaming the platforms and ecelebs that use the memes to get to the first world kiddies and the lead them down the road towards reaction. It's very similar to how memes were used by ISIS to recruit international volunteers. Stonetoss is erecting a strawman because he is literally one of those people who is trying to recruit more white nationalists. We will one day know who he is and (more importantly) where he is. Until then it's important to point out the role that he and others play in promoting terror for capital.


 No.2846122

>>2845984

source?


 No.2846127

>>2846089

>He's right this time tho.

to quote a meme: kys

>PLEASE DO NOT

i did and i'll do it again


 No.2846149

>>2846127

A lot of things make people angry enough to do shit, like idiots on imageboards. No reason to ban them.

I'm not talking about you btw sorry if this sounds like an insult


 No.2846166

>>2846149

not sure if this is about violent games or about imageboards but my case for banning both is basically the same. independent of any social risks, their current state is so dire that a ban could only approve affairs - if they're destroyed, resources can be placed elsewhere. if the ban is subverted, the very act of subversion will force new forms of creativity to get around the ban, with desirable results.

were they to criminalise possession of battlefield 1942 or mandate the use of real names on all internet posts my position might moderate.

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 No.2846164[Reply]

>tfw Afrikaner porky has done more for space exploration, the environment, and public transport than any commies or government agencies ever have

>tfw Silicon Valley billionaire is worshipped by millions and lauded as a visionary and innovator

>tfw he seems to be in every respect well principled and well intentioned guy

>tfw he keeps winning

Is he really all he's cracked up to be?

 No.2846167

He has literally done nothing though.Especially with respect to public transportation.




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 No.2845744[Reply]

Turkey’s Erdogan sparks spat with Australia, New Zealand

Turkey’s president has sparked an acute diplomatic spat with far-off New Zealand and Australia, referring to a key World War I campaign and the more recent Christchurch mosque shooting as targeting Islam. Erdogan, who has been campaigning for local elections due at the end of the month, suggested this week that Australia and New Zealand had sent troops to fight in WWI’s Gallipoli campaign due to their opposition to Islam.

https://www.apnews.com/5c0c6625dc6e4267aa4e7c1119b9bb83

From Astana to Nur-Sultan: Kazakhstan renames its capital after outgoing leader of 30 years

The people of Astana woke up in another city after it was renamed in honor of its leader Nursultan Nazarbayev – despite having already had its name changed three times during his lifetime.

https://www.rt.com/news/454309-kazakhstan-astana-name-change/

Radovan Karadzic Gets Life As Hague Court Upholds Genocide Conviction

Appeals judges of the U.N. War Crimes Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia have upheld Radovan Karadzic's conviction for genocide in the 1995 Srebrenica massacre that claimed the lives of some 8,000 Muslim men and boys.

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/20/705121851/radovan-karad-i-gets-life-as-hague-court-upholds-genocide-conviction

Mexico president López Obrador signs vow that he won't seek second term

Mexico's President Andrés Manuel López Obrador on Tuesday put in writing a promise to never seek a second term, after critics expressed worry that a new law allowing a mid-term recall referendum could be a step toward a re-election bid.

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 No.2846044

>>2845958

In Mexico there is no reelection for the presidency, and I have heard people and even family say that he is planning to change the constitution and go full dictator, among other things…


 No.2846060

>>2845943

>So because their generation had better material conditions they are happy to squander the next generations wealth and material conditions in order to get politicians who make a big show about talking tough about immigrants?

Pretty much. Boomers are the most thoroughly bourgeoisified generation in history. They grew up during he postwar era when the American working class had grown fat on the fruits of imperialism, and so they have the most reactionary tendencies.


 No.2846075

>>2846044

My family says similar shit, they think he will become "another Maduro", they think he will turn México socialist.


 No.2846111

>>2845958

Re-election is the biggest (more like only) sin in Mexican politics. Its prohibition was enshrined in the 1917 constitution, which was the product of a revolution motivated in part by the re-election of Porfirio Diaz (who was president for 35 years). Sure, Mexico was effectively a one-party state for 70 years, but no president got re-elected. Like >>2846044 points out, the opposition banks on painting AMLO as a potential dictator, muh North Venezuela ("listen to this Chavez speech, it's identical to AMLO's!") and that sort of thing, ignoring the conditions that shaped Chavez and those that did AMLO. Morena DOES have a majority in congress (So crushing it's not funny), but the party is succdem at best. Then again, this is the first time we have something that even resembles a left-leaning government in a long time, so the establishment is shocked.


 No.2846152

>>2846075

Sometimes the shit they say is unbelievable dumb, like wanting to bring child labor back to "get more skilled workers just like in the old days ", I don´t even know where they get such ideas.




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 No.2843348[Reply]

>Stalin did nothing wro–

"In October 1939, [Stalin] told the Lithuanian Foreign Minister that it was no concern of the Soviet Union how the Lithuanian government dealt with its Communists; and, even more bluntly, he informed the Latvian Foreign Minister: 'There are no Communists outside Russia. What you have in Latvia are Trotsk[y]ists: if they cause you trouble, shoot them.'" (Martin McCauley, Communist Power in Europe, 1977, p. 29.)

Post other examples of the legitemate mistakes of Stalin and his government. This is NOT a thread for bourgeois propaganda, kulak apologism, or Tr*ts. What this is is a thread for uprooting idealism like cults of personality and hero worship in favor of sober analysis of our own history. Provide good sources for your claims. We need less anarchists claiming the USSR was tyrannical and less ML's claiming it was a perfect bastion of effective proletarian democracy, and more nuance and good faith internal debate all around.

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>>2845621

Fuck are you on about? SocDems flip Socialist after reading Marx once.


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File: 8fd4df6e5564bd5⋯.jpg (616.15 KB, 2020x1352, 505:338, 8fd4df6e5564bd5b5f8c6c197b….jpg)

i fail to see what stalin did wrong here


 No.2846008

>>2843348

That quote (bout Stalin and the Lithuanian foreign minister) was taken from a post of mine without wider context. The USSR sought to conclude mutual defense pacts with the Baltic states amid the growing Nazi threat. Naturally, as these countries were run by semi-fascist regimes, they were worried about whether these pacts would result in the "communization" of their countries.

So that quote was Stalin just brushing off the issue; he didn't literally think there were no communists outside the USSR. McCauley likewise quotes Stalin telling the Latvian foreign minister that "as far as Germany is concerned we could occupy you" (since Hitler was more concerned about Lithuania than Latvia and Estonia.)

To quote a post I made over at /marx/:

>Initially the Soviets had little interest in replacing the existing governments, and simply wanted them to agree to treaties safeguarding the security of the USSR. Stalin, Molotov and Voroshilov privately warned against talk of "sovietizing" the Baltic states.

>However, as the months went by, reports from Soviet embassies of anti-Soviet intrigues by the Baltic governments accumulated, as well as incidents against the Red Army. The USSR accused the Baltic governments of reneging on the treaties and demanded their resignation in favor of cabinets that would honor said treaties. (See "Soviet Policy and the Baltic States, 1939-1940: A Reappraisal" by Geoffrey Roberts)

>Taking advantage of the existence of Red Army troops in the Baltic states, Communists and other progressive forces rose up in protests calling for the downfall of the semi-fascist regimes. The latter were in no position to resist. Elections were held in which coalitions of Communists and non-Communists emerged victorious. These democratic governments ended up voting to join the USSR.

>Three useful works on the subject:

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 No.2846136

>>2846008

Thank you, did not mean to misrepresent the issue but it's a hard balance between trying to start actual discussions here and needing to be a little provocative to get enough responses for a decent discussion to even happen.


 No.2846147

>>2843348

>>2845602

Not a primary source. If there's no primary source affirming he said this, it should be discounted as propaganda.




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 No.2845865[Reply]

What turned you to leftist politics? Pic related for me, I thought all leftists were soy boy sjw dyel nerds but nick proves that you can be a leftist and not a cuck

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 No.2846104

I got fed up with pol on tech back in the day. Literally, that's it.


 No.2846116

>>2845881

Nick Mullen, president of the Democrat Cops of America


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>>2846116

Excuse me, it's actually Democratic Cops of America


 No.2846130

>>2846069

You pop out of your moms belly and the first question they ask you is "what's your political ideology?" you say "Juche" and subsequently do a breakdance on the operating table.




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 No.2845923[Reply]

If we were to compile a list of war criminals of any nationality, who would be on it?

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 No.2845968

>crime

spooky


 No.2845980

>>2845923

Soviets


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>>2845980

uhm sweaty kulaks aren't people. So it doesn't count.


 No.2846129

Almost everyone in the Peruvian government I imagine




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 No.2846061[Reply]

Have you guys noticed the massive spike in fedposting all over 8ch since Christchurch?

Are rightists "emboldened" or are these threads just a bunch of federal agents talking to each other?

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 No.2846102

>>2846087

That's pretty normal. It just seems worse because now you know they aren't being ironic.


 No.2846105

I've noticed a bunch of people going "Whats /leftypol/'s position on X" more so than usual might be my imagination tho


 No.2846106

>>2846102

it was never ironic on eightch dot net be real


 No.2846112

>>2846105

That's it, /leftypol/ is going full paranoid. Let the purges begin.


 No.2846114

>>2846112

we need to kill those that didn't do anything wrong and leave the ones that will contribute to the future collapse of the soviet unio- i mean leftypol




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 No.2845318[Reply]

Just a reminder that the concept of race was invented to justify colonialisation, to de-humanise the colonialised populations so that Europeans could slaughter them without feeling guilty, and to divide the working class/serfs/slaves.

'White' is not a race, because a 'white' Dutch person is different than a 'white' Ukrainian person. Same way 'black' is a ridiculous label because 'black' people from Kenya are different than the 'black' people from Morocco. When you laugh at /pol/yps and tell them "you're not white haha" you are conceding their argument and admitting they're right. We need to outright reject the concept of 'race'.

I know critiques of this don't have to come from the right, but can come from liberals and from the left. I'm sure they would argue that even though 'race' may be a construct, it has been used to oppress certain racial groups and that makes it real and worthy of tackling. To that I'd say that while problems with 'race' need to be tackled, and I do not want to minimise or diminish what has happened in the past, we have to tackle these issues within a different framework, not the framework given to us by the racists/colonisers. We can admit that 'African-Americans' in the US are generally worse of than the 'Whites' in the US, but that has to do with their historical position in the US society, giving them a shittier 'start' in post-1960s America. Some point to 'Asians' as being successful in the US. Again, it has to do with the material conditions they left at home and to which they arrived. 'African-Americans' were brought as slaves and had nothing, while 'Asian' immigrants came as workers and were able to afford to pay for their way to the US (as far as I know even the Chinese workers that were worked to death on the US's railroads weren't slaves, were paid and could own things as well as travel, someone correct this if I am wrong).

Those who wish to argue that 'race' is actually a real, observable feature in nature have to answer a few questions:

1) How do we decide who belongs to which 'race'?

2) How do you account for variations within 'races'?

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 No.2845835

>>2845736

There's more than just pigmentation differences.


 No.2845852

>>2845813

>>2845736

>Black German Shepherd and white German

Just because /pol/yps will latch on to this, it's more of like if you observed the German Shepards raised exclusively in one area vs another (even though this isn't really the best example because humans populations move and intermingle all the time throughout history). The German shepards in one area might have different heights, coloration, and maybe even snout shape then the other German shepards in the other area/town, but when observed and compared to other breeds like say Labradors they still show themselves to be largely similar and when tested still share largely the same genome. Dogs are bad example anyway because they have had immense outside pressure applied to them which leads to very little varience within it's own populations (as in, for the most part they were actively prevented from taking in other internal population variations as breeders selected dogs with only certain set qualities and discarded/gelded the rest). Mutt groupings and maybe common pitbulls would be a better example if anything.


 No.2845860

Here's a better question to ask than "does race exist" –

who gives a shit if race exists? Why give a shit about race at all?

A lot of libs play this game that if you ignore someone's race, then you're a racist. To me a racist is someone who is keen to always point out racial identity and racial differences. Instead of getting caught in the racist game (whites are better than blacks) or the inverse-racist game (whites are worse than blacks) play the non-racist game (people are people).

Ethnicity is a huge spook. Nationalism is a huge spook. Ancestors are a huge spook. You are not your ancestors. You are not your country. You are you and you alone. The color of your skin is never a justification for moral weakness or vices.

You can be anti-racial identity (idpol critical) and still be anti-racist btw.

Laughing at everyone taking the bait in this thread.


 No.2846094

>>2845835

I've got a master's in engineering. I've met black people and arabics in both the workforce and graduate school that are kind brilliant people and make your /pol/yp look like they're violent troglodyte mongoloids. I mean 95% of the boomers in /pol/ couldn't solve for the derivative of x^2 let alone breakdown hamiltonian adaptive control theory on an RTOS to safety critical systems regulation standards. Hell they make up 90% of their statistics on the spot. The whole identatarian white culture is bullshit that conservatives feed them, because they realize their economic policies don't appeal to them and their social contracts are strengthening a strict ruling class heirarchy as opposed to tools of liberty. Right wing ideologies do not benefit white people in any way shape or form. All it amounts to is opportunists dog whistling while they loot their countries treasury and profit off of throwing them in prison for mind your own fucking business laws. Race is just a scapegoat oligarchs use to distract plainhearted dupes while they plunder and fuck them over.


 No.2846103

>>2846094

Also, if a boomer loses a job to an illegal immigrant that doesn't speak English they are so unskilled and worthless it makes me think eugenics on them would be good for our species survival.




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 No.2841916[Reply]

So in an ideal democracy, where would the voting age be? Should it be when people are old enough to have children and work as it is now, or should we raise it? I feel like anyone under 25 are going through such a chaotic period of life (not just because of capitalism mind you) that they should not bear the responsibility of voting. And I say this as a 20 year old. The reason we have 18 years voting age today is because of the drafting age of USA, and the youth wanting to have a say in what wars they fight, but that would not be an issue in an ideal communist world.

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 No.2846013

The right to vote shouldn't just be handed out, it needs to be earned. A 16 year old can be 100x smarter and can contribute better to society than a 50 year old. I don't think age should be a question.


 No.2846017

>>2841916

Broke: minimum voting age

Woke: maximum voting age


 No.2846054

>>2846017

This. If dumbass boomers and dementia addled folks weren't able to vote the world would be a better place.


 No.2846093

>>2846017

Seconding this, maximum voting age prevents people from forming retarded boomer-style death cults of "Won't be our problem we'll be dead when it happens"


 No.2846096

>>2843035

>If yes, then shouldn't we just give up on the idea of democracy?

>bourgeois democracy




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