I must admit, that I do not know the particulars of natsoc economic policies outside of the basics. However, it has now entered into the overton window thanks to many yellow vests seeming to advocate for this economic policy. This thread is for education in this direction, for my own, and others benefit. How can I advocate for a system without knowing the details?
>inb4 look it up yourself.
Where? I need direction as most search engines are very cucked and full of misinformation.
What books do I read?
Where is a good source of information on just the economic principles applied in Germany?
Some particular questions I have are;
How does the monetary peg itself to labor or man hours?
Is there differentiation in pay between jobs(construction vs doing dishes)?
How do you prevent differences in pay(should they exist) from becoming unbalanced like we currently see with bankers, actors, etc?
Ultimately, this information by itself will be useful for educating others with the intent of converting many people who are fooled by other policies. Natsocs didnt start by killing communists, they first converted their base, lets do the same.
bump because great topic that gets slid everytime
he has many more awesome videos
This topic is more important now then ever I think, as people are more receptive to these ideas now than I have ever seen before. Also, college campuses are now considered public forums, meaning if we merely talk about the economics freely, and convert communists(which are mostly useful idiots anyways) at their very base. Talking about economics alone is also a good way to not immediately get labeled a nazi, while simultaneously softening people to these ideas.
Also sorry for newfag formatting and such, I normally only lurk.
Thank you for this, watching with great interest.
i know this great youtube channel
by an american skinhead that did alot of reading while he was in jail and then out.
there should definetly be a regulated system that detirmined the amount of workhours for vaious jobs. we have problems on both sides of the issue
<CEOs pushing workers into excessive overtime to jew more money out of the labour force
<workers in production slacking off because theyre payed by the hour and not by the quota
so theres a need for a more complex system than either just 8-hour workday or work till you burnout
>pay differences between jobs
this comes in to the mentioned system aswell, jobs should be devided up into classes or paygrades.
the more physically/psychologically demanding jobs get more pay ofcourse.
there needs to be a balance between a construction/timber worker and some bureocrat that does jack shit because he has a diploma nad a daddy in the right place
>Natsocs didnt start by killing communists, they first converted their base
most of the SA was socialists and revolutionaries that didnt trust the jew run KPD and SPD so yeah
anyway paygrades are microeconomic, we should go into macroeconomic aswell.
the problem is you cant just nationalise everything because theyre gonna pull a color revolution on you instantly.
you need either a war, societal/economic collapse or some other clymactic event that would justify your goverment to centralise the power and economy.
another thing is that you dont wanna go full collectivist here and have stagnation.
id say independant corporation with govt commisars and inspectors, with the govt also acting as the main shareholder. strict anti-corruption/lobbying laws ofcourse
also use this for the next thread
>anyway paygrades are microeconomic, we should go into macroeconomic aswell.
Agreed, I want to understand the full system involved, and how it can be implemented.
>the problem is you cant just nationalise everything because theyre gonna pull a color revolution on you instantly.
Indeed, but this information needs to be in the public sphere and consciousness at the very least now, because…
>you need either a war, societal/economic collapse or some other clymactic event that would justify your goverment to centralise the power and economy.
These things are on the horizon, the people who decide this need to have this "3rd position" at the very least within their pool of information.
I started reading here: https://www.nationalists.org/pdf/hitler/manifesto-for-abolition-enslavement-interest-on-money-gottfried-feder.pdf
NatSoc is limited Capitalism with a big dash of Communisim in the the dick-tater allows small c capitalism as he sees fit, and takes over the institutions that could step outta line, like the press, etc. So, not much of a plan there, if you are a good little party member, you get to run your business, if not, you get stormtroopers for Christmas. It completely is the whim of one person, or maybe a few people, like a Syndicallist Cartel without majority rule. Whithout Utilitarian majority rule, you have less and less choice, which is the point of capitalism.
In other words, Faschism just another bad religion and not at all a very good market strategy.
This is bullshit, its obvious the basis for currency and its subjugation to popular will rather than the other way around. It may be argued that it is capitalistic but, it has fundamental differences from almost any modern system that prevents alot of cronyism that runs rampant today.
National socialist economics is just rehashing the American system and adding a welfare state and militarism.
I can't believe no one has recommended these two books by Gottfried Feder:
Also, "Hitler's Revolution" by Richard Tedor:
>fascism is state monopolism
then libertianism is a free4all deathmatch
also hitlers social reforms by Leon Degrelle is a short but good read
The economic goal of radically traditionalist ideologies (like natsoc and some forms of fascism) is not to destroy Capitalism as a whole, but to stop the wanton aggrandizement of modern capitalism fueled entirely by degenerate self interest without compassion or regard to higher virtue - to destroy the Capitalist elite - specifically the realization that mere wealth accumulators are not fit to rule, esp. those who do so at the expense of the people via the outright parasitic exploitation of their labors.
Pure Capitalism will always destroy itself - not only does it form an elite solely on the basis of wealth accumulation and generational wealth, but when left unchecked, or as the elite removes the checks, it seeks to undervalue labor ad infinitum until the workers (households) can no longer afford the goods that they produce and the system implodes.
Radical Traditionalism holds that wealth is not a measure of virtue, that the elite needs to resemble that of the warrior priest kings of the ancients - an elite, of the people - the naturally conscientious among us, who extol higher virtue and the best values of the spiritual and material aspects of existence. An elite of spiritual, intellectual, moral and ethical actors who place more importance of group health,-the health of the people, than their mere selfish self interest. The conscientious wield power with responsibility, reluctance and care.
The Capitalist world extols the fake virtue of the old money types and their secret societies and functions; and that of the Nouveau rich who lack class and taste, spend their money on frivolity and excess without the self realization that the only reason they came into wealth is mostly because of LUCK.
There is no such thing as a Materialist who is worthy of Power.
The Radical Traditionalist world extols the virtue of those who live frugal lives, below their means, the kinds of people who seek higher virtue and higher calling, the adventurers seeking the meaning and purpose in this existence, the warriors striking out against the evils of this Semitic mercantilist, materialistic world, and the Scholars who seek a greater understanding of the natural law and order
and in addition
>What books do I read?
Also a GREAT thing to look at is IKKI KITA, who came up with a National Socialist philosophy in Japan well before the March on Rome or the Beer Hall Putsch.
If you read the last paragraph of the “programme”, it only explains what NatSoc is not, and it says it’s not capitalism or it’s satillite, communism. Plus it calls the great depression a result of the proletariat, but it wasn’t, it was straight up insider trading. Sorry, but NatSoc is just another religion with another dead messiah.
Well said, but Hitler himself, thee NatSoc extraordinaire, was himself a hoarding materialist who became very very rich by book sales of Mein Kampf and by the overt theft of art from all over Europe for his “personal” collection. Faschist dictators are laisse faire capitalists just like communist dictators or national socialist gurus. The thing is, only the dictators and their friends get to do it, most everyone else sucks eggs.
Pump out this policy and apply it to cryptocurrency, and a coin will be made for it.
>NatSoc Economic policy
Why bother? Why spend your time planning for something that will likely never happen?
It's time that you all face the facts. America has long-passed the opportunity of becoming a Nat-Soc ethnostate. Look at the demographics of your nation. Move on and place your hopes on a different subject that may give you real fulfilment. I have my hopes in Christ, but as for you Nat-Soc folk there's no hope for you on Earth when Hitler himself couldn't stop the onslaught.
Germany Speaks and The Program of the Party are two books you should pick up which give the German perspective on many facets of government during the NSDAP's time in power.
>All hope is lost
>NatSoc is pointless
Your imaginary jew-deity has no power in real life.
>All this pleb-tier JIDF demoralisation shilling
Don't they give you Yids the week before Hanukkah off, at least?
Nothing will happen if we do nothing. What makes you think I am placing my hopes in an ethnostate? I am a firm Christian, I dont even want the fruits of this system, I just want to educate others on options when the collapse does happen here in the US(our debt is untenable). I am talking/asking about an economic position to replace the one that will surely fail, communism will be worse, but they can get behind this sort of policy. Some policy will need to rise out of the ashes though.
This defeatism is not Christian.
>Banks: Nationalized, monetary system is based on work, usury is forbidden
>Companies: You're more or less free to do whatever you want as long as 1. it's not degenerate 2. not damaging the nation 3. you're not exploiting your workers and 4. you're not deliberately fucking over your competition. Also family businesses were strongly supported and free loans to jumpstart companies became accessable to the average joe.
>Welfare: Sick leave, health insurance, free housing for mothers with many children, job centers for the jobless
>Social: Blood, Family, Race. No citizenship for foreigners.
> radically traditionalist ideologies (like natsoc
Please tell me this is a shitpost.
Nah, these guys are serious, about as serious as you can take national socialist economics, anyway. No one even mentioned it’s a war economy based on theft from a targeted ethnogroup, just consider it human-parasite theory.
If the only thing that matters in life is pretending to believe a silly story so that we can all go to a multi-racial fantasy land after death and suck a circumcised dick for eternity, then life really is meaningless. If the only thing that matters is making a magical jew feel good about himself, then our racial struggle is by definition pointless.
Of course, I live in the real world and believe that our racial struggle is THE single most important thing in the entire goddamn universe. No gods, no magic, no Jesus.
Secondly, why would a Christian be a National Socialist? His brain is already ocuppied with an egalitarian religion that proclaims that the worship of an invisible god is the supreme perogative of all mankind. ALL mankind. That includes the jungle swinging niggers and cross clutching gooks who are his brothers in Chrise jezus. The National Socialist on the otherhand believes that the preservation of his race is the supreme perogative of his people.
A man who is loyal to his invisible friend in the Bible/Torah is not loyal to his race. If the voices in his head told him to have sex with a nigger or a donkey for that matter, a true believing Christcuck would do it. No questions asked.
We National Socialists on the otherhand don't believe in invisible friends and don't hear voices in our heads. We believe in science and race.
I apologize. I really should not allow myself to distract from your question. The National Socialist economic policy is complex, however if I had to put it simply it is a system based around the collective good of one's nation or race while allowing private businesses to be owned by individuals. It's not just about forcing people to "share" their wealth (with the jewish oligarchs) at the point of a gun. That is jewish marxism. It's about a spirit of comradery and civic mindedness that is natural for our race.
This is my analysis anyway.
>Implying Hitler didn't personify all the virtues of the "elite by virtuous right" as per the Radical Traditionalist ethos
A devotion to the natural law and order
The unfettered love for his nation and people
A steadfast devotion to purge the ills destroying his people
The belief in ascendance to the spiritual and metaphysical - in all honesty Hitler was like many of us in many ways, we reach for the spiritual aspect of existence in the dark and hope for the return of the spiritual aspect countering the material, physical aspect - some of us find some semblance of it in what remains of Christianity, some are still looking.
Hitler was still looking and even acknowledged he was not perfect.
We aren't against wealth accumulation.
We're against it at the expense of the health of the people.
>Hurr Durr Selling books and getting rich off it is evil
>Hurr durr liberating art from the clutches of Semites and the rootless intellectuals they produce is evil
Most of the shit he took belonged in reich museums, not in the private hands of semites
Read Gottfried Feder.
>Manifesto for Breaking the Financial Slavery to Interest
>The Programme of the Nsdap: The National Socialist German Worker's Party and Its General Conceptions
The originally adopted economic program when Hitler first came into power was essentially created by the Strassers (who were only the enemy of Hitler for personal differences on how the revolution should be conducted and not ideological reasons)
Not him - >>12565524
Germany withdrew itself from the international semitc financial system and created its own system of wealth with the concept of money not as debt, but money as a virtue of labor provided thereof. It was an end to wanton usury and a repudiation of Jewish monetary dominance.
Which is why the kikes hated them from square 1, even in the early days when Hitler made nods to the Zionists in support of the Balfour Declaration.
>Please tell me this is a shitpost.
National Socialism IS radically traditionalist - if you are confusing it with some kind of reactionary enlightenment conservatism you need to read more
Science is not exclusionary to matters of the spiritual, it is through the post modernist lens that the interpretation of science is to deny the metaphysical, spiritual existence of a higher power.
When the reality of science is for us to better understand the natural world and the natural laws that govern it so we can live in greater harmony with the natural order.
I don't give a shit what fucking skydaddy you worship, but you need to attune yourself to higher virtue, that their is a spiritual aspect of existence, and not a mere, lowly material one - and yes a Christian can be a national socialist as long as he realizes some of the bullshit precepts of his own religion were written by fallible men and the search for truth is never ending - that his race has a right to self determination and self preservation, even to the detriment of all others if necessary.
Abandon the last vestiges of banal materialism.
Seek higher virtue.
Seek the spiritual.
another stupid thread about essentially wordy nothing, to ease the pain of having to actually achieve anything in real life towards the benefit of whites.
We're not going to achieve anything until we step back from seething directionless anger and transition to righteous indignation, becoming the unstoppable force we need to become, the light in the darkness.
You know maybe actually start a business venture , have some kids and organise resources, (Land / weapons / funding) to establish strongholds in fucked up countries (such as sweden , Greece , france , italy ) and keep the borders closed of Poland. Link up with the right wing sentiments of Russia.
> (Land / weapons / funding) to establish strongholds in fucked up countries (such as sweden , Greece , france , italy ) and keep the borders closed of Poland.
That's less of a general economic precept, and more of an economics of Fifth Generational warfare - the creation of communities and (non governmental) institutions- even alternate economies, in opposition to the state and the global semitic power structure
Yep another person content with playing make believe forever and not actually living with his head in the real world. Hey, do you have any money making ideas???????????? whats ya thoughts? in Australia , got a friend who was able to turn his useless farm land in a money pot , by obtaining a Eucalyptus tree harvesting licence from the government (for making eucalyptus oil). Making a good side income $3000 a month. The only problem is that it is very hard to ship said eucalyptus oil overseas, because it is a flammable substance that is heavily regulated, some shipping groups will transport it, but the rep tape is huge.
This seems like a slave to modernity. The point here is that money itself is fucked up, ideas must be spread to a base of people to adequately change the system.
Who cares about earning more scrips? Really? It all feeds into our horribly sick global financial system run by jewish bankers.
It is an economics concept, most larping national socialist idiots and other starry eyed morons, keep on dreaming like little kids, but for some reason fail to get a job, fail to acquire cheap fire-arms to hide , fail to understand how to invest into real estate. Fail at keeping there mouths shut to hide plans and protect out of tax income which is another skill they seem to never have. Like , they are people with no original ideas, no means of achieving anything because they have nothing , and yet they still talk about nothing on fucking 8chan.
Yep, well then get rid of all your money, get rid of all your possessions that are worth money, do not do anything because Jews, arabs, Chinese, Hindus etc all use money, and money is inherently bad because Jews. (p.s money is as old as recorded history)
>Science is not exclusionary to matters of the spiritual
I agree with this. I therefore never explicitly deny the existence of the Gods or of God. I simply do not know so why be so arrogant as to affirm that there are no Gods at all? However, I do deny the existence of anything jewish in origin. That's the line I do not cross. If it comes from the Torah, it's shit. End of story.
My higher ideal is the preservation of my race. If you want to call that materialism or racism or Kalakibanopitanism then go right ahead.
That point is valid to one who has the means and capabilities, I, however, must use what I have, which is the ability to learn and spread what I learn. I will state what I intend to do more clearly though, convert communists/libertarians/capitalists via college campuses (recently ruled by courts as public forums). This is a realistic and actionable goal, and also a front that must be addressed along with what other anons can do.
Not everyone should do the same things, not everyone can be a business mogul, speaker, or messiah, or w/e.
>Needing a loicence - permission - to grow what is essentially a food product on your own land
>Extolling some kind of virtue out of jumping through hoops that shouldn't exist
>"Yep another person content with playing make believe forever and not actually living with his head in the real world."
The "real world" - this post modern semitic dominated clown world that only extols the fake virtues of material possessions and wealth accumulation.
Abandon Materialism as the only virtue and meaning of life, abandon the post modernist worldview of subjective truths and meanings -but do not abandon self-improvement and the betterment of your community and race. Everyone of us SHOULD be productive, should acquire property and accumulate wealth, build families and strengthen our communities, while at the same time denying the modern world and finding higher virtue and meaning
Anyone who licks the shoes of hitler like he was a god that never made mistakes is a complete idiot. He got some things right , but fucked up others. Learn from the fucking past and stop larping like idiots, we have had this stupid National Socialist larping for 70 years now and it has done fucking nothing. It is stupid and national socialists have this bizarre inability to lie or hide there identities to avoid the police or media.
As much as I would like to tell you that belief here is necessary, I would rather ask that you soften that stance towards Christians. Even a modest study of history shows that the jews today are a radically different group then those of the Torah, and they twist it in horrible ways.
In the torah btw is the idea of nations(ethnic centers) being the right way to do things, see: tower of babel, dont through out the baby with the bath water.
Yep, but he persevered, got the stupid licensing put in the work and now makes a good additional income source that is never going to go away, he has also helped others to work there way through that frustrating system. And you? busy philosophising about essentially nothing and never achieving anything or doing anything in the real world, because you are almost above actually doing things? truly strange.
pretty funny how you think hitler's economic ideas were based on jew-hatred
Like you are almost proud of being a man who does nothing.
BTW, while a good topic for discussion, this thread is actually just substrate for more '/pol/ is not NatSoc!' kvetching from our new /intl/ mods from 4chan.
They REALLY don't want people being NatSoc.
>In other words, Faschism just another bad religion and not at all a very good market strategy.
That is exactly it!! nothing separates Fascism from National Socialism except for the Italian verse German origins. Historically speaking they were both nothing but socialist dictatorships that both fucked up (although Hitler did manage to vanquish the German and Polish Jews).
so you are saying you lick the boots of supreme dictators? how effeminate and charming at the same time.
The actual fuck? Germany was in debt the entire time it was NatSoc. They didn't even have war for the first half of their reign.
>Sure sure. We will be seeing you licking the shoeshine off the next Hitler soon.
I'm pretty sure its fine as is directed at you.
I periodically get exacerbated with Christians here and become hostile to them as a response to Christian arrogance and hostility towards everyone who isn't comfortable with a creating a Christian theocracy wherein a small clique of international priests rule by decree.
Yes, jews are for the most part racially different. And yet their behavior is identical to the jews of the old era and it is a little more complex them simply being a different race. The jew has always been a mongrelized species living among more deserving peoples and parasiting off of us. Some say that their behavior is simply the result of Judaism, an artificial collective based on the false uniqueness of their "people" who are simply a raceless, rootless mongrelized gang. Sort of like the Cripts or the Bloods. Except on an international scale and over thousands of years.
Others insist that their behavior is genetic.
I don't know. I'd like to do some experiments to get to the truth of the matter and access the true history of the earth to ascertain the truth. But first we will need to actually overthrow these bastards and I fear that I will not live long enough to see a post-jewish world.
Though I certainly hope I do.
What makes them elite?
>trying to argue in good faith with /intl/
Oh you sweet naive child.
How you play Pascal's Wager is ultimately up to you. You don't even have to be a conventional thiest and can simply extol nature AS god.
Being an athiest is to fully sever your connection with the spiritual aspect of existence, but even Athiests succumb to the greatest objective, natural truth - everything dies, and so to will they.
>I do deny the existence of anything jewish in origin.
And the Christcucks have have a quadrillion arguments on how A and B is or isn't Jewish. Take a step back for a second.
The Enlightenment brought with it total Jewish monetary and then material dominance
Before the enlightenment, there was Christianity - as an institution and an ethos.
The Enlightenment destroyed Christian Ethos, and it severed us from the Spiritual aspect of existence towards a materialistic, semitic one.
It didn't really matter what skydaddy we fucking had or currently have, the point is is that Western Civilization had the spiritual aspect of existence, and it was severed.
And now we are directionless, like a ship without a rudder, in the darkness.
We remain adrift until we find the lightof spirituality again.
1) Survival Strategies
A parasite requires a means via which to break down host defenses to allow parasitism.
The Jewish culture and derivative religion is entirely insular: There is no TRUE concern for others, it's merely utilized as a cover, social camouflage. Non-Jews are just 'goyim', equivalent to livestock. Even those misguided Jews carrying out their ideals without realization of this are still generating the outcome those conscious of it are aiming for.
The Jewish evolutionary history over the last 5,000 years is rife with selective pressure favoring certain traits, namely those we see espoused by them in the two aforementioned categories.
1 is derivative of 2, 2 is derivative of 3.
>Does it talk like an elite or someone even on your level of discourse? I'm not saying I'm an elite or intelligent but frankly I don't see how I am an illiterate lemming like it is
Mmm, yes, I'm illiterate because I won't argue in good faith with a degenerate whose probably a tranny.
Seems accurate new friend.
It wasn't until the enlightenment hit France that the Jews had any power. While it still an Italian centric event, there were no issues from the ghettos. When the monarch in France started making changes, he fell for the humanist argument, and let the Jews use their usury to keep him on top.
I bet our 'literate' friend above never read those tomes.
Yeah, yeah, that's nice, but we're not arguing newfriend, I'm just pointing out what you are, and it clearly frustrates you.
Tell us more about hamiltonian economic nationalism saving the world. Or maybe its time to start going into the Masonic British Illuminati, eh?
And here we see the dogma of radical traditionalism - that some people are natural plebians, even within our own race - who only care for wanton, material self interest and petty pleasurable amusements. The people who cannot differentiate value and virtue from the non-material. The idea of achievement for them is solely reserved for those who have accumulated wealth, and through it power.
To him, a monk in a monastery (regardless of religion) lives a valueless life, because he, the natural plebian cannot differentiate any higher virtue and purpose from his banal materialistic self interest.
These are the people we need to guide, either with a soft nudge, or drag kicking and screaming, into a new era
I personally see the NSDAP's policies as rather uninspiring. Though I suppose that's the nature of number crunching. The British Fascists had a radical corporatist idea of money which democratized industry but centralized authority which was incredibly interesting.
Whatever the case it's probably useless to consider laborers as important once automation becomes widespread in the service sector. Taking inspiration from early 20th century ideas is fine but they were afflicted by novel tech considerations. Look ahead to safeguarding your now uber important intellectual capital from foreigners and consider any business that earns money elsewhere to earn it in sole interest of the state.
I've been pretty blackpilled recently and was thinking about just outright abandoning economic struggle and discussion of economic policy, because wtf does it matter arguing over economics when you no longer even control your own country ? What do tax rates or economic regulations or centralized policy matter when you're not the ones making these decisions anyways ?
I used to get really interested in these debates but I increasingly just don't care. I'm not a professionally trained economist, and I'm so skeptical of that entire field of study that I just don't care. I can't remember where he said it, but I remember once saying (to paraphrase) was that the strength of the national socialist economic policy is that there isn't one, that it isn't based on economic ideology and is instead based on a combination between pragmatism and the guiding principle of 'what is best for the German people'.
>being this flustered that people won't agree to argue in good faith with a disingenuous faggot
Wew indeed newfriend.
Already pointed him out, but you're right in line with him m8. Even though you try very hard to appear otherwise.
I reiterate my original position:
When you make posts like this
I can't see how you wouldn't think you'd be grouped in with the other plebs LARPing as patricians.
Europeans made the mistake of not taking interest in economics, which is why there are only Jews in those positions.
So you are an Indian mystic who denies all worldly things, including life itself? getting ready to live in a hole away from everything, to avoid anything that might require effort. Money apparently was invented by Jews, worldly possessions is Jewish, owning land is Jewish, everybody who disagrees with you is Jewish, National Socialism is perfect, anyone who disagrees is a Jewish Shill. Should I worship hitler because he lost? I actually complimented him for evicting the German and POlish Jews. (p.s , if he stopped expanding after successfully blitzkrieging Poland, ww2 porbably would not have started and Germany could have used its influence to achieve great things, rather than fucking everything up.). Hitler made lots of mistakes,
>The actual fuck? Germany was in debt the entire time it was NatSoc. They didn't even have war for the first half of their reign.
? Germany during all the years following 1919 was a giant exporter to the rest of Europe and borrowed massive amounts of money from foreign banks . Germany’s war finance resembled Great Britain's and France's insofar as all three countries relied much more heavily on debt and inflation than on taxation to fund government spending. Also Hitler essentially force worked Germans at a slightly low set wage. This saved huge money on the Siegfried Line , and the auto barn network. So basically Germany under Hitler borrowed itself into massive debt that dwarfed the manageable debt produced from WW1 expenditure.
And this did not matter because , well WW2 would provide income to Germany though controlled countries economies and treasuries.
So National Socialism has no economic savvy at all. Just borrow and spend then default on it all with war. Oh yes and don't forget there socialist welfare statism, that the modern left still uses to this day.
Not even close to be right. The year Hitler took control of Germany, all international loans were cut off. Germany couldn't get into debt, because the international bankers refused to do business with him.
So anything you have to say on the matter is null and void. Germany rebuilt after Weimar using a barter system.
So true! , or I could be a stupid larping Hitler Jesus Christ Worshipper and insist that nobody should take interest in economics because it is Jewish.
these books are like 90-150 pages and are written very plainly and in easy to understand fashion, yet the information is fresh and potent since it's not the stuff you can really find anywhere else these days. i think they're actually considered pamphlets. even if you have an iq of like 105 then you'll still have a nice little grasp on the fundamentals, which is more than you would get from dedicatedly lurking this website for all of 2018
the whole "hitler did nothing wrong" meme is more of a mindset tbh. and playing captain hindsight just makes you a massive faggot.
"perfection does not exist; there is just a forward"
>I personally see the NSDAP's policies as rather uninspiring
the national socialist worldview is what is important. most of the principles are also revolutionary to a person who has only ever been subjected to kosher ideas
the industrial revolution didn't have to be a disaster but it was. it has corrupted roots and this must be addressed. but you dont seem to have any workable ideas or meaningful plan of action anyways
>whatever the case it's probably useless to consider laborers as important
actually ur a nigger
>using a non existent technology as the basis for your ideology
because economics isn't actually that difficult or even a big thing when everyone is white and there's no jewry involved. a group of competent white men with good leadership can work work things out without much problem.
Stay mad trash. Call me a Jew again you fucking traitorous NazBol faggot.>>12566043
>was thinking about just outright abandoning economic struggle and discussion of economic policy, because wtf does it matter arguing over economics when you no longer even control your own country
That's the appropriate stance for a pleb to hold Anon. Economics is something MOST people cannot effectively conceptualize, and don't really want to even where they can. The priority should not be some set policy position as goes economic concerns, but one of adaptation - the working of the economy are akin to a river in flow, and you and your state the ship sailing upon it.
Does ALWAYS sticking right, ALWAYS sticking left, EVER work? No, you must be adaptable.
And for those men who are doing the rowing, they're often not even facing the direction the ship is moving, they merely row. If they are brave enough, they might take a peek, but they cannot see far enough in those brief glimpses to effectively guide the vessel nor to recognize why/how decisions in that context are necessarily made.
If your leadership hierarchy is infiltrated and controlled by a foreign and hostile clade of organisms, no 'monetary policy' or 'economic strategy' is going to result in prosperity.
That hasn't been our reality is decades, and that's not even counting the millions of nigger swarms that the White created prison system has made.
what are you even referring to, nigger? i made multiple points in that post
Except they weren't and there was no reason for him to cut off international loans, that does not even make sense….. you make a loan you have already taken the money, people do not just suddenly forget about owed loans. Germany was borrowing money from multiple different countries, loans to pay for loans and some of that even came from America, The Union Bank run by Prescott Bush owned by George Herbert Walker, Ford Motor Company etc and others, money and free services
Oh we found the illegal.
The loans were gling to revolutionary elements inside the Reich, not Germany. He ended up having all those traitlrs killed and put into camps.
Pick up a book for once in your life.
>because economics isn't actually that difficult or even a big thing when everyone is white and there's no jewry involved
>which is more than you would get from dedicatedly lurking this website for all of 2018
Not at all. We've had these threads regularly, this not novel content in the least.
It was nice not having to have the same conversations with the same people every few weeks though, I tell ya hwat.
Regardless of the source, one must consider the complete and utter degree to which Christianity is controlled from the inside out.
It would be simpler to replace the religion whole cloth with something new than it would be to deprogram its current follows from their worship of the Jews within the framework of their current religion.
>White created prison system
Jews arent white
>millions of nigger swarms that the White created prison system has made.
You dumb fuck, niggers dont reproduce in prison. Thats lowered the birth rate for them.
>I can't see how you wouldn't think you'd be grouped in with the other plebs LARPing as patricians.
A plebian peasant farmer in traditional societies lived a more rewarding and fulfilled life than a modern plebian lower middle class office drone chasing a paycheck for his vastly undervalued labor
He worked less hours
He ate healthier
He had a family young and was essentially guaranteed a woman
He had more kids
His wife went from her fathers care right into his care
He was in better shape
He was spiritual
He had community, real community
If I end up a plebian in a radical traditionalist society, so be it, it will be a mere lateral transition anyway:
In the modern world everyone who isn't of the wealth accumulating judeo-masonic elite is a plebian or a puppet
And at least in a traditionalist society you can advance through meritocracy
I've met a single Jewish cop in my almost 40 years of existence on this planet, and I doubt he was actually a cop with how shitty his uniform fit. Pretty sure he was impersonating an officer.
Whites put the Blacks in ghettos to provide cheap labor for factories. If anybody is to blame for the niggers of today it's whites.
The idea that niggers don't reproduce in prison, lol. You're an imbecile. Their entire neighborhoods get at that poon when daddy is locked up.
You pick up a fucking book, Germany was borrowing money from most of Europe and America up to the start of WW2, because that was the smart thing to do. That was the fucking point, accumulate as much capital as possible and then default on all the loans with the onset of war. That is exactly what happened. Got know idea what YOU are going on about
>The loans were gling to revolutionary elements inside the Reich, not Germany. He ended up having all those traitlrs killed and put into camps.
Just like what? and remember my fellow NS - tard , the holocaust never happened / nobody died , nobody was killed …… Hitler did nothing wrong, he did everything right.
They still are, and if you're not a mutt they try to force you into being a mutt.
Oh, thanks for pointing out that I cited the wrong post.
Meant this one:
I think. I'm shitposting in 4 different threads while trying to shave at the same time.
I reiterate my initial position:>>12565830
>you're embarrassed because I say so goy
lel, you must be a real child if you believe that son. I mean, it's not like I'm LARPing as a patrician while trying to argue in good faith with /intl/ plebs.
Nor do I have a vagina.
>It is like these retards think disrupting this one thread tonight is going to change anons' mind about National Socialism.
Nor do I have my head so far up my ass that I'm not aware of the meta on the board, wherein new moderators have been undergoing a strong push against NatSoc in the last month or so.
Who are you calling a Plebe?
Everyone around him who doesn't agree with him, basically.
Cops write the laws making up the justice system? Fucking cuckchan, I tell ya. Anyways, kikes imported niggers and we segregated them. Muh fucking ghettos, you commie pieces of shit are so transparent, this is Striker or something.
It's the NazBol fags trying to convert me to their rendition of a chorus line.
They make the arrests and take bribes from the gangs you moron.
Likewise your weak attempt at saying a White Nationalist or National Socialist is an extremist.
Did you get lost? Did you forget the subject of the thread? The content of this board?
Check those ID's again speedie
Cobb is a loser, always has been, always will be. He can stay fucking mad at me. Him and his fag friends.
Dumbass, presume too much don't you?
That takes a LOOOONNNGG fucking time though
Perhaps the only way forward in a shorter, tangible timetable, is a positive Christianity, one that is at odds with the modern (and not classic) interpretation of maintaining ethnic and cultural solidarity.
Christians hundreds of years ago, when people were still spiritual, would object to the diffusion of their communities with foreigners.
A Christianity returned to the natural order.
>If your leadership hierarchy is infiltrated and controlled by a foreign and hostile clade of organisms, no 'monetary policy' or 'economic strategy' is going to result in prosperity.
Is more or less my line of thinking, though.
We spend an inordinate amount of time arguing over political and economic theory and none of it ever comes to practice.
I'm more worried about using economics as a tool while out of power, and not focusing so much on what we imagine should happen when we're in power.
So instead of just letting faggot muslims and Jews didlle boys, we wait until they conquer us completely while you people walk around saying that shit is actually working.
Sure it work for people whom are being forced to live like a nigger, while calling me a teanny because I won't fuck little girls.
None of you are worth the oxygen you steal from me. Genocide yourselves.
Look up Fascism: 100 questions asked and answered. It’s about British style fascism, which never really took on and isn’t too popular today either. Don’t look at the specific policies but the general flavor is still there.
>can't have even a single thread without shills kvetching and shitting all over it with their cancerous posts
To quantify the "modern Christian outlook" - "hurr durr race and cultural duffusion through mass immigration doesn't matter as long as the immigrants and non whites are Christian hurr"
The Classic outlook, back when the West was still spiritual, was nothing of the sort. Catholics and Protestants killed each other for sport, and there was nothing stopping two Christian nations from going to war with none another - and it happened plenty of times.
And every time the Christian European world ventured outside of Europe, during this time period before the Enlightenment, to wage war - it killed people of other races regardless of their religion, including the various flavors of non-white Christians.
Because they were lesser, inferior peoples.
So no one really gives a fuck about the modern intrepretation nice guy christianity bullshit. The only way Christianity ever becomes relevant again is through strength, and it doesn't lie in the Roman Catholic Church, it doesn't lie in evangelicalicism, Christian Fundamentalism, or Mormonism, and it doesn't lie in most Protestant denominations. Plebians only respect strength - and Christianity will either find it again and unify, and bring back the spiritual, or another spirituality will - it makes no difference.
Why bother? Europeans are only interested in bending a knee to their inferiors out of some weird twisted idea of respect, which is only interpreted as weakness? Then, all their equals see that and laugh.
It doesn't matter if a non white is Christian or not.
Our lands are by whites, for whites, and Whites have the natural right to self determination and self-preservation, to include excluding non whites from our societies regardless of religion, and destroying non white enemies to our race - regardless of their religion.
The Modernist "nice guy" Christianity cucks with their fast and loose intrepretations have done and will do absolutely fucking nothing as the world further slides into degeneracy and darkness. And most importantly of all they forget a universal truth regarding the European peoples - that adopted Christianity, nay - developed it, developed Christendom, and allowed it to flourish and do great deeds for mankind.
A "Christian" who doesn't give a damn about the preservation of the European Peoples and their right to self preservation isn't even worthy of the cost in lead in mere ounces of the bullet that will end their miserable existence.
Christianity OWES the European Peoples EVERYTHING.
That's most of the people then.
The most important tenet you can gleam here:
Christianity OWES the European Peoples EVERYTHING
The European Peoples embraced Christ Worship when the Jews turned their back on it.
The Europeans built it into a true spirituality.
They defined it fully.
They developed Christendom.
And with it they did great deeds that improved mankind.
With Christianity as our guide, the European Peoples brought the torch of Civilization to the world.
That is something Christians and non-Christians of /pol/ can agree on - Christianity OWES the European Peoples.
And for that alone, any "Christian" who is against the self preservation of the European peoples, is deserving of death
And yet here we are, of the European race, at the forefront of abandoning weakness, empathy, remorse and guilt
Quoting William Pierce is not a good place to start. Specifically, Pierce notes in you article there that national socialism is not faschism, however both allow for one fallible man to lead completely. WHERE IS THE DEMOCRACY? should we just let our choice go? I don’t think ONE MAN ALONE is capable of ruling appropriately, that’s WHY Hitler failed, Mussolini, Stalin, Pol-pot, et cetera. Honestly, the VERY PROBLEM with Jewry is that THEY THEMSELVES are elitist National Socialists. For that reason, and that reason alone I have poise when I comes to Jews, they are not inclusive at all, they have been known to hate others unlike them. Truly, ELITISM is not what the world needs from any side, not the white nor the black, nor EVEN from THE JEW!
That perspective makes me leery of Jews quite a bit, actually.
I’m willing to sacrifice Democracy and elections. Social Democracy is what our forfathers intended.
Why allow free press to end, we won’t be told what is actually going on in the world!
Why allow corporations to get away with more. They get away with enough. We need more labor protection, not less.
Mixing church and state, no, the state becomes the church better.
Why be obsessed with law and order and still party to Cronyism. That hypocracy is what we all hate about the Amer govt I believe.
My only issue with NatSoc is that I grow fearful that being of the specific ethnic group that is in complete power slowly degenerates. Imagine using the "im white" card to get in front of every line. I truly believe that you earn your position, value, and identity. You are born with it, to a degree, but you can easily lose it. Being promiscuous, lazy, and giving into vices is a great downfall of the white race.
The issue with Capitalism is that when it is unbridled the company and banking system can become as powerful as the country, and then more powerful. You have three things.
A small company that is trying to build itself should be held to a different standard than a company that is worth as much as lets McDonalds. McDonalds should be forced to put the people and the nation before itself at all costs unless its facing financial hardship. This means paying wages that are above the poverty line, employing the ethnic people of the nation, and providing a product that isn't trash. Not to mention tax brackets.
The concept of National Capitalism could a better form of government for sustaining a competitive working class and corporate environment. When google buys out all of congress and is fused into the government, it is above the people and works intertwined with the government that is supposed to control it. Keeping humans competative is important as well. Focusing on your physical, education(not Marxist indoctrination shit), social, and life ethics is something that all humans should do.
>Nature is God
Dr. Pierce believed something like that so if it's good enough for Pierce, that's good enough for me. You could indeed say that I am a Cosmotheist. Nature is my God or Truth is my God.
>The Enlightenment brought with it total Jewish monetary and then material dominance
Not true at all. The kikes have since the beginnings of Christianity in Europe and even a little beforehand, lived among us and parasitized off our accomplishments. The Enlightenment was neither their creation nor did the kikes take control at that time. The kikes DID have power both before and after through their control of financial institutions. However, this was very, very limited and jews were not the only show in town. In fact, up until their control over the mass media was established, they were subservient to many Gentile political elites and factions. Lesser partners. Though always rising in power.
>Before the enlightenment, there was Christianity
Specifically, Catholicism and the glorious Papacy.
>Western Civilization had the spiritual aspect of existence, and it was severed.
No argument there. However, since, as you put it, it doesn't matter which invisible skydaddy we grovel towards, clearly the skydaddy is not what is important. I will put it to you that there is no such thing as a "Christian ethos"
There is simply a European Ethos and then there are a bunch of meaningless chants and names that clever little con artists used to seize undeserved political power over European people by making us believe that they represented the word of God. These are the Priests and the Preachers. They used God to rob us of our common sense and indeed our very souls.
The Truth shall set us free and the Truth shall be our spirituality. I say we make the Truth our God and our Race our Religion.
sounds a lot like zionists
NS economics is basically protectionism, workerism, a strong welfare state, lack of reliance on international finance, and maintaining the primacy of the state over corporations.
A strong welfare state is the downfall of any country. It doesn't matter what race it is, it will be abused.
The quality of the worker goes down, then the quality of the work, then the quality of the product. Workers should be forced to be competitive. Many times a strong welfare state protects the wrong people and props up people who are too lazy to prop themselves up.
Sure, but these fucking leftist morons have no clue what nationalism is. You cannot understand nationalism unless you first understand love. True love.
>Disdain for human rights
Sounds like both the current regime or the USSR if you prefer
>Identification of enemies
This is how you know that the creator of this is a dumb leftist who was paid to come up with 14 signs of fascism. He ironically is describing what the liberals have done to America. WE are the public enemy.
>Supremacy of the military
Sounds like America… or communist China if you prefer.
A meaningless slur signifying nothing.
>Controlled Mass Media
Again, this describes the liberal world order. America. Or communist Cuba if you prefer.
>Obsession with National Security
Again, in multicultural America, cops are dressed for battle. Of course, this ALSO describes Stalinist USSR and socialist Venezuela. So apparently EVERYTHING is fascism.
>Corporate power protected.
Hmmm. Sounds like communist China.
>Religion & goberment combined
Political correctness is our STATE ENFORCED religion.
And communism was the state backed religion in the USSR.
>Muh Labour power suppressed
That certainly doesn't describe NatSoc Germany. The communist USSR on the otherhand massacred workers who protested for higher wages and better living conditions.
>Disdain for (((intellectuals)))
Yeah, and I'm sure that you fuckers are the ones defining "intellectuals"
"Intellectual" is just leftist codeword for Lords and Ladies
They are the aristocracy.
>Crime 'n punishment
Wow. Sounds like the UK or Germany where being politically incorrect leads to imprisonment.
Again, that describes literally every single communist country.
Once again, EVERY single communist country
This list is moronic. Only a liberal could have come up with something so dumb.
From what I have learned so far, the most important thing in national socialism is our relationship to money, or rather understanding what it really is. Money is the store of value for what we do, build, work, etc. This is what it naturally represents. Most modern economic systems with (((central banks))) twist this concept away and make money itself, or oil, or debt, or w/e the value.
Is this the gateway for the parasitic endeavors sapping the way the value and wellbeing of our nations?
To weigh in, in Christianity God is Truth. A way to understand this though is like saying water is h2o, its 2 ways of saying the same thing here. I seek the Truth, and this makes me Christian.
CS Lewis speaks alot about morality being common and innate. What changes in Christianity is the relationship to this morality.
It's not so simple as many like to think.
Fascism is in itself more a worldview than a specific political doctrine. Hence the wild differences between the different schools of fascist thought. I mean followers of Hitler and Mosley have very different views on a number of things for instance.
But in a general context they were all some flavour of NatSoc.
They all believed the worker was owed a proper wage that would enable him to live in a dignified manner befitting what their society was capable of producing.
That where competition was possible/sensible then companies should be allowed to profiteer and even supported with public aid, until they stand to become a problem for the state (bearing in mind the fascist concept of the state is what applies here) at which point the hammer comes down regardless of the law.
In short you won't find any real opposition to NatSoc economics because like a lot of things fascists pioneered its now widely regarded as desirable.
I can understand that.
I take issue however, with the Christians who seek only Jesus & Yahweh. If these were simply euphemisms for "the Truth" that would be one thing. But instead of seeking the truth and calling it Yahweh, most Christians seem to be seeking Yahweh and calling him truth.
I was raised to always follow logical thinking, seeking the truth, to wherever it leads. And here i am.
>using Christ to spread despair
Ask me how I know you're a Jew.
I will face my creator one day with my head held high, you worthless shitstain, because I will have fought the good fight even when only a fools hope remains.
You are still making the mistake I was talking about. Jesus, The Logos, is The Truth.
Now this does mean we believe that it became a human named Jesus. The implications of which are a major point of the religion, if its being applied and followed correctly, is about.
Now to stop derailing my own thread.
Democracy is the rule by whoever is wealthy enough to own the media, political party apparatus and can control the education system.
You're a gullible fool if you think highly of the electoral process in a modern society.
>the problem with the Jews is they're not multicultural and tolerant enough
Point ant laugh at this man, for he is a fool. He is such a fool he has fooled himself into believing the greatest absurdities.
This looks like an extremely good read, thanks for sharing.
I'm honestly tired of reading ideological screeds and manifestos. It can be inspiring but I'm more interested in the 'how' than the 'why' at this stage of my development.
Wow, thanks rabbi Shekelberg! I had never heard these new and insightful theories before.
lol, this kike is trying to say that democracy is real and works. Hey moshie, fact is, democracy is unnecessary in a functional and homogeneous white society. The truth is what matters, not your bullshit feefees
The reality of the matter is the only way democracy works is when it's limited to an elite.
In the US that elite was white men over the age of 21 who owned property
In a traditionalist system? Stratocracy a la Heinlein (Starship Troopers) - the blending of the Military and the apparatus of the state, and the elite consist of(voluntary, can quit) military veterans and failing that Public Servants who perform dangerous/soulcrushing tasks for a certain period of time - make up the elite "Citizens" who can vote and hold political office - wield power.
Heinlein's system stands above many other limited franchise schemes in that:
A: Service is discouraged, publicly - and when it is encouraged it is with double edged propaganda generally to encourage natural volunteers to aim for a specific service (which they can request but the assignment is ultimately needs of the state) while also discouraging plebians from even attempting.
B: The intent of the system is to attract the naturally conscientious - that is, those who care more about the health of they the people than they do themselves and their own selfish wants - exactly the kind of people who SHOULD wield power - the self-sacrificing, moral elite. Even though the system is militant, warriors are innately more suited to lead on the sole fact that they are willing to kill and die for the health of the group/nation.
C: Such a system totally divorces itself from Money and Moneyed interest as an institution of power
I don't agree with the idea that one man should hold power either, hell even Hitler did not want a Fuhrer to follow in his footsteps, he was cultivating a follow on generation of elites.
The biggest problem we face long term is we dance close to the "intoxication of power" trope, and for some, in any system, as soon as they get a taste of it they want more, to consolidate it. It is up to us, again long term, to ensure the elite is the best quality of our peoples - a Spiritual, Conscientious, Moral, Ethical and intellectual class of Ubermensch - almost totally divorced from the wealth accumulator class - the kind of persons who wield power with care, reverence, respect, and reluctance - it's just that, long term, Heinleins system is the best way to achieve it - the downside being over militarism.
>Not true at all. The kikes have since the beginnings of Christianity in Europe and even a little beforehand, lived among us and parasitized off our accomplishments.
I really don't want to get into the long religious argument, Christianity has a long track record of subjugating, kicking out, and purging Jews, esp. as when Goyim got their hands on the Jerusalem Talmud.
The spread of Jewish power has its roots in the Renaissance - the immediate era before the enlightenment, it is during this era that Jews got Court Jew roles and got favorable exemptions like Usury exceptions - building the start of what would be the banking empires that amongst other things financed the French Revolution.
Yes Jews have been a pox for a long time but before the Renaissance they weren't even able to PENETRATE Western Europe without being pogrommed to death - and Spain when absolutely fucking batshit on them once they became a nation and started the inquisition - killing and banishing them for the pivotal Dhimmi role they played in the Ummayd Caliphate
>Specifically, Catholicism and the glorious Papacy.
It would be batshit to assume the kikes didn't have a hand in the Protestant/Catholic split, by that time they were already well established as wealthy power brokers in the Italian City States, and were penetrating Central Europe - places like Poland and other areas outside of the Holy Roman Empire - where they were pretty much killed on discovery.
The idea is the classical format of Welfare - for example Widows, esp. of war casualties, get assistance - Single Motherhood - female initiated, no fault divorce is eliminated. Poor Young families may get a bit of help starting a household and the like provided they pay it forward by being productive members of society.
>I do not know the particulars of natsoc economic policies
read Progress and Poverty by Henry George
>The spread of Jewish power has its roots in the Renaissance
which has its roots in the rediscovery of Hermetic sorcery
>but as for you Nat-Soc folk
You need to consider a different diet than foreskins, yid. Consider the Zyklon B diet proposed by a famous physician, Dr. Mengele.
Has anyone else noticed the massive uptick in demoralization posting over the last day or so?
I do like the idea of welfare through subsidies for people who are just starting out in and making families. I believe this was the idea behind volkswagon.
Maybe, maybe not.
If they did though, it would prove that even as far back as the 15th century, they had immense power over the policies of the Catholic Church.
Everyone has a long track record of kicking out the kikes.
And unlike Christianity, modern Islam STILL is intolerant towards judaism. Christians now worship them.
But that is still not an argument in favour of Islam. It's merely an argument that the less affected by modern media your population is, the more intolerant towards jewish exploitation your people are.
Anyway, this will be my last comment on religion as this isn't what this thread is about.
Yes. It is all so tiresome.
Anon, the word regulate originally meant to make something commonplace, turn something into a standard/normal and such. By using the original meaning (and making sure interpreters maintain said original meaning) for a long enough time, one can essentially undo the (((revised))) version of the word everyone thinks of in this present era. And while we're at it, one should undo and erase every word/phrase/terms/definitions (((they))) have come up with over the centuries, like trotsky's own (((racism))), and one of the most widely used (((word))) the leftists use to shut down any and all forms of discussion like how wizards and sorcerers use magic spells for combat in those video games/shows, and many more that had been created since then.
were concerned with tehnical matters here.
but you do give a good idea for a thread.
Someone should post a thread about terminologic warfare, where much like frankfurt school has done, we take apart their labels and terms and apply new meanings to them
Read Richard Overys 'nazi economy' its the best book on the subject
Please spoiler next time.
>I must admit, that I do not know the particulars of natsoc economic policies outside of the basics.
there are no "particulars" … who is the natsoc economist that is the official voice of such a thing. What the fuck is natsoc … its a fucking childs movement.
Its like fucking candy for politics … its not a real dessert, its just sweet. Natsoc is not real politics its just a vague idea of government which is just based on crybaby kids that cant get along with other races.
But guess what these kids dont have any business talking about governments when they cant even fucking raise a family. They fucking need another guy to tell them to clean their rooms.
Who is one serious, talented person that can make "NatSoc" happen. What the fucking is "NatSoc" why do you abbreviate it like some fucking retards. Communists did fucking say "ComSys" or the "Repubs".
Fucking grow up and make better threads at least fucking expand your idea because this shit is fucking shallow as the skin color its based on.
>lol, this kike is trying to say that democracy is real and works
no one is dumb enough to believe that, what a larper
Company stood for justice, comradeship in the Fabrik or Bergwerk, care for the families behind, state organized free sea holidays, much respect for the higher technicians and engineers and a disgust of banks&speculators.
Humor, honor, righteousness.
No hunting for maximizing "consuming" but a secure&stable perspective for the many children most of the worker's families had.
"Es ehrt den Mann die Arbeit und die Tat."
- to be a MAN, a worker and 'doing deeds' defined honor.
Taiwan joins in the fun. Oy Vey. When will America come and save France and now Japan from these terrorists?
The book Web of Debt is the best explanation of Nazi Economics I ever read.
>Against the Mainstream: Nazi privatization in 1930's Germany (Germa Bel)
>The Coining of “Privatization” and Germany’s National Socialist Party (Germa Bel)
>Paul Einzig - Economic Foundations Of Fascism
>ORIGINAL National Socialist speeches and essays (archives)
Pamphlets published in English by the NSDAP explaining aspects of the German system.
>Social Welfare in Germany:
>German Youth in a Changing World:
>German Economic Policy:
>German Law and Legislation:
>German Education Today:
>German Labour Service:
Hitler and others went further, in posing that racial nationalism is socialism. Full stop. Goebbels actually had some economic socialist leanings from before he joined the party, which he constantly shilled for, but didn't make much of an impression over those who believed in "producer-centric capitalism". There were already extremely novel means of solving social questions that left-socialism always tried (and failed) to solve. The labor-based currency was one means of ensuring that things like Marx's "surplus labor exploitation" could never actually take place. Another was the welfare network that focused on solving all forms of poverty through employment. If you were sick or crippled, for example, jobs were created for you – even if it meant that you lived in a hospital adjacent to a factory, and put together small parts or filed burrs all day. You literally always had a way to remain integrated and necessary to society, as long as you weren't a vegetable.
This didn't require welfare of the kind where you just give people the bare minimum to survive, but they become dependent and remain in danger of becoming more poor. Natsoc fixed what was making people poor, it didn't actually want to keep them poor to justify the jobs of bureaucrats. The whole system had its incentives set up to eliminate unemployment and poverty, not perpetuate it.
< Pamphlets published in English by the NSDAP explaining aspects of the German system.
>Social Welfare in Germany:
>German Youth in a Changing World:
>German Economic Policy:
>German Law and Legislation:
>German Education Today:
>German Labour Service:
I feel like a lot of people in this thread are confused as to what they and others mean by capitalism, and even the term capital. Capital is any resource that can be used to gain more of said resource, or other resources. Root origin of capital came from pastoral and nomadic societies, where it was seen that the cattle herd was the measure of wealth, and the herd could make more cattle by habit of breeding.
As for capitalism, this is from Oswald Mosley's 'Fascism: 100 Questions Asked and Answered'
>35. What is the difference between Fascism and Capitalism, since both admit the system of private enterprise?
In brief definition, Capitalism is the system by which capital uses the nation for its own purposes. Fascism is the system by which the nation uses capital for its own purposes. Private enterprise is permitted and encouraged so long as it coincides with the national interests. Private enterprise is not permitted when it conflicts with national interests. Under Fascism private enterprise may serve but not exploit. This is secured by the Corporative System, which lays down the limits within which industry may operate, and those limits are the welfare of the nation.
I recommend everyone to read the book by the way, its pretty good
Got anything better than that?
>The European Peoples embraced Christ Worship when the Jews turned their back on it.
>The Europeans built it into a true spirituality.
>They defined it fully.
>They developed Christendom.
Nigger please. Everything European about Christianity isn't "Christian" in origin and was already existing, just appropriated with different names so it could be technically Christian. It had served its purpose with the 1st Crusade, then became nothing but a source of religious conflict amongst whites
>And with it they did great deeds that improved mankind.
Which would have happened with or without Christianity.
>With Christianity as our guide, the European Peoples brought the torch of Civilization to the world.
And its come back to bite us in the ass. A "be fruitful and multiply" philosophy geared towards shitskins isn't a good strategy.
>And at least in a traditionalist society you can advance through meritocracy
Your meritocracy is what created this world, you fool.
The dollar should be backed by work, goods & services.
>>Ignore the part that I said I'm not an elite
>I said x, therefore its true
<I'm an oldfag guiz
Kill yourself. And post the stream.
>Quoting William Pierce is not a good place to start. Specifically, Pierce notes in you article there that national socialism is not faschism
So, actually, he was the perfect place to start?
>however both allow for one fallible man to lead completely.
>WHERE IS THE DEMOCRACY?
Gone, hopefully. Democracy is the rule of the stupid and easily-led many. Why should I support it?
>should we just let our choice go?
Yes. Whoever told you that your 'choice' was yours at all?
What mythologic rights are you going to cite to justify it?
>I don’t think ONE MAN ALONE is capable of ruling appropriatelyt
Well, you're wrong.
>that’s WHY Hitler failed
Except its not, Hitler "failed" because World Jewish finance wouldn't allow someone to show that their scheme was nothing but an illusion. They had to be destroyed.
Hitler was doing quite well, better than the Americans and most other Europeans for that matter.
>Honestly, the VERY PROBLEM with Jewry is that THEY THEMSELVES are elitist National Socialists.
Oh, its /int/ again. Okay. To be fair, I should have known that nobody is actually that naive. I mean, democracy? HAH! Laughable. The implication that you have some right for your voice to be heard, even if you're a worthless bum with an IQ in the double-digits. Who would think that righteous, but a complete moron, or a disgusting shill?
Can you just go back to 4chan already? Its getting incredibly tiresome seeing your shitposts on the reg.
Look at this trash:
I know CM has you faggots desperately shilling 24/7 in an attempt to deradicalize /pol/, but its not working, and you still stick out like a sore kike thumb.
Oh, also, can you stop spamming via Tor?
Especially when its this awful trash.
>The Weimar was actually great goy, it fixed the economy!
>Because a bunch of (((economists))) told me so!
This line alone
<The result was to encourage a wave of anti-semitism that darkened Germany and blackened its leader’s name.
Is so incredibly Boomer, that I just have to laugh.
Thank God you've got a Boomer twat named Ellen Brown here to tell you that anti-semitism "darkens" a nation and "Hitler clearly deserved the opprobrium heaped on him for his later military and racial aggressions"… What military aggressions, I wonder, is Brown referring to: The attempt to retake German land stolen via the Treaty of Versailles, or when France and England declared war on Germany to protect Polish sovereignty (while not doing so the USSR who invaded Poland ~2 weeks later) thus resulting in them handing Poland to the Soviets at Yalta?
Some things we may never know.
But, when we look at other parts of Brown's writings, perhaps we get some clues…
<muh scapegoats goy!
<not all jews, goy!
Sure sounds like Boomer Bolshevism to me.
Mods have been informed of Torfag copy-paste spamming direct from an old Boomer twat's nonsense scribbling, and they were active in the last 5 minutes.
Let's see how much "muh rules" matter when it comes to getting rid of material aimed at deradicalization, very-likely posted by the mods themselves.
Hah, especially funny given this as the context.
Yeah, the part about the anti-semitism wasn't why I posted it. Feel free to post contribute something better than ad hominems.
Cry more, rabbi.
>According to Stephen Zarlenga
Strange that he'd be doing such things, given his background... Wouldn't think someone educated in psychology in 60's era Chicago would be a monetary guru.
>Yeah, the part about the anti-semitism wasn't why I posted it.
I posted that part exactly because of you not posting it, you cretinous fuck.
And the gall to sit there and call me a rabbi while repeating this Jew-covering tripe is fucking amazing.
I only hope the mods do their job.
Reported for spam.
>Dr. Henry Makow, a Canadian researcher
Kek, I love how these people are just thrown in as credible.
>ITS NOT THE JEWS GOY, ITS THE ILLUMINATI!
This isn't even good deradicalization material. Fucks sake, this isn't Alex Jones Boomers you're working with here faggits.
Up your game a bit.
I mean, is this is the mods actually being Alex Jones Boomers, or is this /int/ desperately trying to deradicalize by muddying the water?
I can't keep track of who is jewing who at this point.
>reported for spam
I'm not crying, I'm reporting you for spamming awful Boomer twat trash designed to carry water for the Jews and muddy the water with MUH ILLUMINATI! nonsense.
Hahahahahaha oh man this is some retarded as fuck shit you got here fam.
Guess you felt you couldn't manage it to have that shit stand, eh? Good on you for at least maintaining the illusion, you fucking deradicalization-motivated faggots.
>NatSoc is limited Capitalism with a big dash of Communisim
So many jews in this thread.
Absolutely marvellous video, thanks for sharing this gem, anon.
Also bump for great bread.
NatSoc economic policy in a nutshell:
1. Kill all Jews.
2. Collect their Jewgold.
Nazi economics were stupid, Autarky has never worked
I want to add that the USA has a (((central bank))), like almost all other countries, and that these (((central banks))) centrally plan the economy via monetary policy. The west hasn't had free-market capitalism in over 100 years.
>The most robust and wealthiest country in Europe at the time, didn't work.
>the two are socialist
You are obviously retarded.
>Nazi economy was robust and wealthy
No it wasn't, the economy barely improved. Just look at Spain if you want an example of Autarky and deep cuts.
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>hardly improved goy. Trust me.
> [Capitalism] seeks to undervalue labor ad infinitum until the workers (households) can no longer afford the goods that they produce and the system implodes.
This line of reasoning isn't reconcilable with automated manufacturing and assembly. Robots aren't going to demand higher wages. Eventually, ignoring external political and environmental factors, prices of goods will reach and stay at a constant level.
Pure capitalism doesn't destroy itself, at least not by it's own virtues or lack thereof. In the theoretical perfect capitalism failure to generate profit means loss of wealth and eventual ruin. In practice, however, wealth begets power, and most crave power for power's sake. Like a drug, the soul desires more and fears to lose it. Thus a person of great wealth will try to rig the system to keep their wealth at all costs. This is where you get oligarchies, when the government becomes subservient to the wealthy and not the people's welfare. Regulations pile on to push out new competition and he existing competition agree to not step on each other's toes and accrue wealth. This is what Jews do in spades. They are of the same tribe and always have one another's backs when in a free market they ought to be at each other's throats. They then peddle influence to get special privileges and boons for themselves. Add onto that the hatred of all non-Jews and contracts being made with non-jews being worth only the flimsy paper it is written upon. The National Socialist economy in principle asks the quest first and foremost (above profit): is it good for the people? Profit and private property are exalted, as is the labor of every citizen, so long as it does not harm the nation. The state is to be racially pure as to embody the most trust of the people that it will be there to defend their interests. Motivated by higher ideals of blood rather than money. Freedom so long as it does not harm or degenerate the national spirit and body of the people.
We could have had a society like this. And now I just want to go full SIEGEfag
Oh lawd das a juicee melon mayne almos as juicee as dat a$$ doe bih
All these posts but the answer is so simple. Governments are funded through theft.
>How do you prevent differences in pay
Oh no, you're a Communist, the other braindead type. Then the answer is to kill everyone (on purpose or otherwise).
>kvetching about hitler shutting down the lying press
>Faschism just another bad religion
>judaism? no comment
>Jewry is that THEY THEMSELVES are elitist National Socialists
>taxation is theft
youre free to live in some sweatshop country.
Good book: Lothrop Stoddard's "Into the Darkness"
Written by an American journalist in Germany during WW2. I haven't finished reading it yet, but there's already some very interesting details about their agricultural policy and the workings of the industrial machine. It's oriented more towards the details of everyday life and not the big picture, but still a very interesting read.
>Robots aren't going to demand higher wages.
Right, so it drives down pay. Undervaluing labor ad infinitum. That's the point retard.
>Eventually, ignoring external political and environmental factors, prices of goods will reach and stay at a constant level.
They are not concerned about "eventually", they are concerned about now. And right now, the way to get the most shekels is to keep driving down wages. When society implodes they don't care, because they've been using the money they made to buy up real wealth like land and factories and weapons. They can use those to exploit another society while the one they just trashed goes through revolution and creates a new society for them to come back to exploit all over again.
>NatSoc Economic policy
>the eastern front is collapsing and our cities are getting bombed 24/7 but we'll spend money to build poo tier ICBMs and fire them in the general direction of Britain
markets and economy are spooks. capitalism never worked.
National socialism is unfortunately still socialism. Its still tyranny.
Its all fine if you have someone in charge who loves their country above all else like Hitler or Trump. But inevitably over time someone will gain control of the system and use it to enrich themselves and their friends at everyone elses expense.
A very wise man once said 'Fascism is the inevitable result of capitalism'. Which is 100% true. But fascism only works when the guy in charge is benevolent. Imagine if they put a woman in charge of a fascist country it would be bedlam.
>bad guy is in charge bad things happen
Wow how illuminating, would you like a cookie for that stunning analysis?
It may seem obvious, but a lot of peoples responses to this thread seem to ignore the basic fact that a huge authoritarian government is more prone to corruption and fraud.
A more mature system like the US government model is designed to come to a grinding halt when people try to make big changes.
That obviously frustrates some voters. If you voted for Trump its annoying to see the democrats able to block the wall for ideological reasons. But you have to remember the flip side of that is the Repblicans were able to block Obama and his policies which, if they were made in to law would have literally bankrupted the entire country.
>ts all fine if you have someone in charge who loves their country above all else like Hitler or Trump. But inevitably over time someone will gain control of the system and use it to enrich themselves and their friends at everyone elses expense.
This can go with any ideology.
Also national socialism is more of a philosophy at one point they were planning to change the name or else realistically it would've been called national folkism.
Why is a policy needed when only a couple hundred posts in over 2 months?
>This can go with any ideology.
Any authoritarian ideology.
I dont support anarchy but obviosuly people wouldnt be able to exploit the government to enrich themselves in an anarchy because there would be no government.
>I've been pretty blackpilled recently and was thinking about just outright abandoning economic struggle and discussion of economic policy, because wtf does it matter arguing over economics when you no longer even control your own country ?
That's the point.
Arguing about what economic policy would be in a White National Socialist society is a distraction. The Jews want us to waste our time with playing White Nationalist mind RPGs on the internet instead of trying to influence politics.
If we're preoccupied with this faggy mind game shit we can't meme the 2020 election.
>If we're preoccupied with this faggy mind game shit we can't meme the 2020 election.
Which is Just as faggy, fucking Pepe memes never did anything to help Trumps first election.
Well actually National Socialism was nothing more than a Socialistic Dictatorship. In a nut-shell it was state ownership of everything and everyone, People were forced to work for what the state needed, and sometimes barely compensated for there work (for example the Siegfried Line). Large Manufacturers internally and externally were given more freedom (example. Krupp) so that they could better serve the state and network internationally with other companies sympathetic to the National Socialist cause. The economy was "saved" by spending and borrowing massive amounts of money from many banks internationally, the thinking being that they were intentionally going to default on the loans as the winners of WW2. All other economic prosperity came from pillaging or controlling the economies of other countries. National Socialist Germany was an early practitioner of the modern Welfare state. What differentiates modern from Nazi socialism is that Natso Germany was pro - ethnic - German, where as modern socialist states hate there own people and serve ethnic aliens.
>markets and economy are spooks. capitalism never worked.
You just contradicted yourself, If markets and economy are spooks, then you wouldn't give a shite about capitalism.
Also there isn't a people or political/economic system in the history of man kind that has not practiced capitalism. Communism is nothing more than a state monopoly of capitalism. Also there never was a group, country or movement that called themselves "capitalists" . The very term was invented by Communism as an imaginary enemy to justify its own existence. Same goes with the whole fabricated proletariat / bourgeoisie / Intelligentsia / ruling elite class crap, once again to create imaginary enemies to Justify communism. Communism itself is hypocritical in having its own class structure.
>have my hopes in Christ
Wrong. Eventually, people will be required to go into debt to buy the products and this debt, tied to legalism, will make them serfs regardless of their level of ability or intelligence, establishing the elite as a permanent noble class with no obligations needed to maintain that status.
No, wait, that already happened. The elite fuck children and throw the bodies away while imprisoning people for frivolous reasons.
Wrong place, Christogenea.
>We remain adrift until we find the lightof spirituality again.
We have been since Europe got enslaved by (((YHWH))).
>That takes a LOOOONNNGG fucking time though
The sooner we start, the sooner we're done.
>A Christianity returned to the natural order.
So, back to the desert?
If we can seek Truth and ignore the (((Bible))) to be Christians, then I'm fine with being one.
>it was socialistic
Found the retarded boomer.
>it was a state ownership socialism
>t.does not know anything about national socialism.
>Europeans have a long track record of subjugating, kicking out, and purging Jews
You've been visited by the anti-NatSoc shill.
Post "Metaphysics is all that matters you Nazi LARPers!" or he's going to hop IPs again!
>another quality thread derailed by retarded fucking pagans
I swear to god once we're done with the others you people are next, all 289 of you
Fuck off christcuck.
Kidding make a new religion thread so they will stop fucking ruining this one.
>just vomited Jewisj propaganda onto the screen and called it a good post
At some point polyps need to stop looking for a regime with kind master with softer scourge and accept responsibility, power of the union, true democracy instead of represntative (which is really a dictatorship of capital) and accept only viable economic policy of future, communism.
>>If we're preoccupied with this faggy mind game shit we can't meme the 2020 election.
>Which is Just as faggy, fucking Pepe memes never did anything to help Trumps first election.
>Well actually National Socialism was nothing more than a Socialistic Dictatorship. In a nut-shell it was state ownership of everything and everyone, People were forced to work for what the state needed, and sometimes barely compensated for there work (for example the Siegfried Line). Large Manufacturers internally and externally were given more freedom (example. Krupp) so that they could better serve the state and network internationally with other companies sympathetic to the National Socialist cause. The economy was "saved" by spending and borrowing massive amounts of money from many banks internationally, the thinking being that they were intentionally going to default on the loans as the winners of WW2. All other economic prosperity came from pillaging or controlling the economies of other countries. National Socialist Germany was an early practitioner of the modern Welfare state. What differentiates modern from Nazi socialism is that Natso Germany was pro - ethnic - German, where as modern socialist states hate there own people and serve ethnic aliens.
Shit! this guy is right… I wouldn't jump to the conclusion of this being subversion at all. You know, you can hate or kill Jews and be a white nationalist without worshiping a regime that started WW2 and allowed Soviet expansion to destroy Europe. Natsoc was nothing more than a pro german dictatorship. Nothing pro European about German expansionism. The only good Hitler Did was kill Jews.
OY VEY DONT YOU KNOW /pol/ WAS NEVER NATSOC! THIS IS A LIE NAZIS SPOUT ON THE BOARD TO PRETEND THEY DIDN'T ACTUALLY OUTARGUE EVERYONE ELSE BACK IN THE 4CUCK DAYS!
You know I think you are right…. National Socialist Larpers are stupid little kids.
>probably does not know what a LARPer means.
- head to VNN forum's economics section.
- read Mike Walsh's NS guide to repairing a nation.
>oy vey hitler and only hitler started ww2, just like ww1 all germany's fault!
>But also, the results of the end of ww2 and everything the allies did up until and after the end of the war is all germany's fault also, and russia's wrongdoings also hitler's fault.
"limited capitalism" is a contradiction in terms. You don't put constraints on capitalism or it stops being capitalism. As per the Talmud, the only rule is to f*** the goyim.
"a dash of communism" is BS since communism, like christianity, is a bunch of older truths and logical elements integrated into a insalubrious mix of utter garbage, courtesy of Juden stealing and smearing good stuff since they were born. In other words, what good you find in the commies' bible predates Mordechai's and Engels' demented ramblings.
>hitler started the war
Lurk moar and don't post you are fucking retarded.
That was not apart of hitler's goals.
>he killed THE 7 GORILLION
The holohoax never happened.
>I believe every single thing muh (((ally))) propaganda tell me
You act as if looting wasn't a thing since the 1st war happened on this planet. Besides, considering how degenerate the countries from which are was taken became, said art was probably in better hands in NatSoc Germany anyway.
Defeatism IS Christian.
Your entire religion is based on the idea that this world is flawed, that humanity is sinful and in the end Yahweh will torch it entirely because reasons and shit.
Then suicide is forbidden so you have to enjoy the torture a bit longer.
Christianity is garbage.
And dividends were capped around 6% iirc so companies would stop borrowing money from the (((banks))).
Stealing gold from thieves who have been hoarding it since Rome, if not before?
What a crybaby!
Also, to add to what you said, a Christian cannot be a NatSoc because the racial element is completely denied. Greeks = Jews (= Niggers = Spics = Gooks = Whites), remember?
Only the soul matters.
Without Whites, this planet would be a turd hole populated by undisciplined savages and cannibals.
You forgot building some walls too.
Perhaps we should start talking about MEANINGFUL wealth.
Collecting ten new iPhones is wealth too but…
>Reduce standard workweek to 40-hours
>Interest-free government loans to new families
>Heavy investment in infrastructure
>Agricultural stabilization and hereditary ownership
>Direct barter trade between nations
Feder was only relevant early on, especially in correcting the initial debt/inflation/reparation/central-bank/interest issues.
Die Neue Stadt is super interesting though!
Hitler lived in a homeless shelter as a teenager, and ate mostly cabbage for years after the first war to scrimp by. The only thing he spent money on in Vienna were a single room attic apartment and a rented piano (to compose operas on).
I would hardly call him extravagant.
>a war economy based on theft from a targeted ethnogroup
Exactly wrong. The NSDAP eliminated jewish usury, preventing the jews from thieving from the german people.
The war was incredibly undesirable and hurt the german economy which had recovered under the NSDAP in the mid 1930s.
<Oy vey oy vey! Your stupid religion claims a world infested with niggers and kikes is full flawed sinners, which is ridiculous, and then your god wants to destroys all the precious metals, especially the gold! Oy vey oy vey! How could a religion that hates degeneracy and materialism be true I ask you?!
That's the most jewish description of Christianity I have ever read. You must be the son of a rabbi sorry about your child molested buthole not really die in a fire kike
> a regime that started WW2 and allowed Soviet expansion to destroy Europe
>allowed Soviet expansion to destroy Europe
Fascism didn't much care about race (big influence of Catholicism some may say) and the influence of Evola didn't help at all.
Please also explain how or what NS "fucked up". Even the Americans never got that close to perfection once in their existence, if only for the fact that they still were manipulated by Jews.
…butthurt xtian detected
>Your stupid religion claims a world infested with niggers and kikes is full flawed sinners
Aside from the bad engrish, you probably forgot that Whites are counted too.
>your god wants to destroys all the precious metals, especially the gold!
You're the one talking about gold and precious metals, not me. Who's the materialistic one here exactly? Besides, thanks for that big strawman argument right here.
>How could a religion that hates degeneracy and materialism be true I ask you?!
By hating "materialism" it actually hates the entire world. You make it gold affair, not me.
Maybe a few quotations from the bible would help you understand the insanity that permeates it too?
As for the degeneracy, shall we pick the so eloquent examples cast by the Patriarchs? Or just stick with the suicidal advice given in the New Testament, or just move right to the part where one must pretend consuming the blood and flesh of the "Savior"? (yummy!)
>a regime that started WW2
Let's just conveniently forget the real reasons as to why Germany had to intervene in western Poland, how Stalin was supposed to enter Poland at the exact same time, but only did so weeks later and, oddly enough, wasn't attacked too for violating Poland's frontier. How convenient!
>and allowed Soviet expansion to destroy Europe.
Germany had totally crushed Stalin's toy army and if it hadn't been for UK and US support, communism would probably be dead now and it would have been destroyed in the US too after that: remember the Frankfurt School and how these commie Jews fled to California to start pretty much all the anti-White destructive ideologies we're facing today on a world scale?
> The only good Hitler Did was kill Jews.
Not even close. But get some points for the holohoax pal. There even were Jews corps that fought for Germany. O_O
Could you at least make some new ones if you're going to trot that scheme out again? Whites actually have good long term memory.
I wish I could get the sarcasm of how White Nationalism (the preservation of Whites) would contribute to the genocide of Whites.
From there, anything pro-White is anti-White. :^))
George L. Rockwell is one of the few American authors any White Nationalist could safely refer to as an example, a sane and noble source of inspiration and worthy of being quoted.
David E. Lane had much respect for the man too.
Judaism is the sum of all rules the Jews built for themselves over multiple centuries. Jews are not Jews because of Judaism. Judaism exists because Jews made it. It is the expression of their psyche. Which is a reflection of their soul-genetics.
In other words, they're fucked.
With much irony though, because the "light of spirituality" was precisely hijacked by Christianity.
>It didn't really matter what skydaddy we fucking had or currently have
Oh yes it did and still does.
That works good and to the point.
Your mental illness wont' save Whites.
LOL He was a Larping faggot that turned off 99% of Whites.
That couldn't be away further from the truth he is the reason why some people woke up to the jews and his party was getting popular before they (((killed))) him off.
The beauty of the American farmer archetype. Segues admirably into Rosenberg's view of a healthy people. This is also how Ben Klassen spent a whole deal of his life when he was young. He said that his family members in their Germanic community installed in Ukraine were not rich per se, but their life was full and so were their plates, every single day, and this remained true when they had to move overseas.
No sane White would put negroes at the core of their industrial might. I've seen how they, or they sand counterparts, "work". You understand the gap in evolution.
Now cotton? That's something else. :P
All of which evidencing the hypocrisy of Christianity.
"Love and don't murder."
- Mkay, I think I'm going to hate you and murder you after all.
Oh wait, I was told that you people don't have a soul. This must solve the problem right? There's nothing to save inside of you! Die brownie!!
A century or two later…
Well, now they have souls. Would you believe it?
I guess they must be our equals then, since our Lord makes no distinction of race. In fact He says we should reproduce and populate the whole world. He didn't say how nor whom we should mate with.
>The European Peoples embraced Christ Worship when the Jews turned their back on it.
Them Jews are the ones who made sure the new imperial creed would be based on their books making them God's once Chosenites.
>The Europeans built it into a true spirituality.
So much time and intelligence wasted, truth be said. Imagine what would have been IF we had spent the same energy and creativity on a dogma that was 100% natural to Whites instead of trying to turn turd into gold.
>They developed Christendom.
More like it grew on our backs but ok.
>And with it they did great deeds that improved mankind.
Like? If anything, it's not as Christians that Whites did such beautiful things: we didn't wait for this creed to operate as fantastic men (and women).
1928. That's also called a political concession for the sake of success. Imagine where the NSDAP would have gone if it basically said F*** yall Christards!!!
The Table Talks and other late comments by Himmler are revealing on their true goal.
> Specifically, Pierce notes in you article there that national socialism is not faschism, however both allow for one fallible man to lead completely.
No man is perfect. What's your point?
>WHERE IS THE DEMOCRACY?
In the toilet, why?
>I don’t think ONE MAN ALONE is capable of ruling appropriately
I don't think you know anything about human history then. The best leadership IS to be concentrated in the hands of a few, if only one person. All you can do is hope that this elite is competent and full of goodwill. Hitler was on many fronts. Franco was too.
>Honestly, the VERY PROBLEM with Jewry is that THEY THEMSELVES are elitist National Socialists
Which Jews? The ones in Israel or the ones in our countries? They could be whatever they'd like, as long as they'd be kicked out of our countries forever and kept in sight of our canons, everything would be alright.
>For that reason, and that reason alone I have poise when I comes to Jews, they are not inclusive at all, they have been known to hate others unlike them.
Oh, you hate them because they hate you. That's the problem with a large portion of our populations: their hatred isn't much of a problem. The problem is that we let them get where they are now and we need to smack them. They could hate the entire universe and beyond that it wouldn't matter if they were put back into a bottled ghetto surrounded by a million guns and landmines.
>Truly, ELITISM is not what the world needs from any side, not the white nor the black, nor EVEN from THE JEW!
Aren't you the democrat faggot! Rule of the mob is the worst thing ever. it only works for ants. Leave that nonsense to communists.
>My only issue with NatSoc is that I grow fearful that being of the specific ethnic group that is in complete power slowly degenerates. Imagine using the "im white" card to get in front of every line.
In White nations this wouldn't get you anywhere. :D
>Being promiscuous, lazy, and giving into vices is a great downfall of the white race.
True. Meritocracy and adhering to a great vision is the way to go. Hence NS.
>The concept of National Capitalism could a better form of government for sustaining a competitive working class and corporate environment. When google buys out all of congress and is fused into the government, it is above the people and works intertwined with the government that is supposed to control it. Keeping humans competative is important as well. Focusing on your physical, education(not Marxist indoctrination shit), social, and life ethics is something that all humans should do.
See, the problem is that we don't have a better word than Capitalism to talk about something that looks like Capitalism minus all the abusive shit and disrespect for the people and our values.
No offense but I assure you that National Capitalism sounds quite stupid imho. :)
Benign dictatorship is the holy grail for most Liberals. They hope it will be a technocracy, with an AI running the show. That'd be easy to fake, too.
Capitalism unchecked couples with human greed and (((human))) corruption to cause massive inequality with slave and elite classes. Best to nip that in the bud. Nothing wrong with good dictatorships managing free enterprise to keep it in line with the nation's needs.
Yes, a strong welfare state is a demagogic concession towards the groveling masses.
A proper balance between soft social welfare and meaningful craftsmanship is much preferred. A little help to get started, a little help if you drop onto your knees because let's be fair, sometimes life is harsh, but people must not be turned into babies that keep big daddy for monies.
I seek the Truth. This makes me anti-Christian, right?
Money is just a tool.
Are you calling Hitler an optics cuck?
Pr.50: A democracy is always followed by a strongman… some call him dictator. It is the only way to restore order out of the chaos caused by a democracy. Pick your strongman wisely! He must be a guardian in his heart. He must be one who has shown that his only purpose in life is the preservation of the folk. His ultimate aim must be to restore the rule of Law based on the perfect Laws of Nature. Do not choose him by his words. Choose one who has sacrificed all in the face of tyranny; choose one who has endured and persevered. This is the only reliable evidence of his worthiness and motives.
>See, the problem is that we don't have a better word than Capitalism to talk about something that looks like Capitalism minus all the abusive shit and disrespect for the people and our values.
National Socialist free enterprise.
> strong welfare state is a demagogic concession towards the groveling masses.
If welfare is in the form of money, sure. UBI is a good idea, with mandatory community work for all and the option to earn more if you want to. There's a balance to be found between slave labours and creativity, freedom and innovation.
We didn't wait for the discovery of the Talmud to kick Jews out.
It also goes without saying that the Christian outrage proved to be oh so effective… appreciate the hypocrisy btw, as it implies that before discovering what the Talmud said about Jesus and Mary, they didn't give a shit about Jews. How could anyone call these Christians reliable?
As for usury, they didn't wait for the Renaissance! Take a look at the interest rates applied by Jews who walked in the wake of William the Conqueror (I guess you can conquer anything you want if you have plenty of shekels in your pockets). Britons were strangled.
With a rise in Masonry too, which got quickly infiltrated because its dogmas simply took too much from Hebrew concepts and scriptures.
Here's another problem: the Christian monster was pretty much our point of reference for our values. The moment it got weakened by an actually much needed Renaissance, it also left us naked and paved the way for an easier Jewish takeover.
It's sad but it was necessary.
NOW, we have to do away with anything farted by kikes, from their religious creeds to economical models.
Fun times exposing things.
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Oh, looks like the mods missed a spot.
>And unlike Christianity, modern Islam STILL is intolerant towards judaism.
To some degree only. It would be foolish not to see that the crypto-Jews known as the Saudi are preparing the next-gen caliphate and a world wide ummah under which all Muslims will progressively be tamed.
Let's not forget how Jews and Muslims also closely collaborated in the distant and nearer past.
It's Jews who opened the gates of Spain to the Moors. It's the Jews who opened the gates of Europe to Muslims (and many other colored people).
I wouldn't count too much on the temporary "anti-semitism" displayed by Muslims and one or two lines in the Quran that they'll conveniently ignore in a near future.
Jews are Communists. Even the ultra orthodox are Communists. Their very culture was on display for the whole world to see with the Soviet Union.
Yes and no. Jews just use whatever system is the best for them in the given situation.
They fomented a red revolution because impoverished Tsarist Russia was ripe for one if they just rallied the lowest dregs of the Russian society, and they succeeded installing a totalitarian dictatorship where people could be surveilled and taken away at whim. However that was just not possible to do in America and elsewhere, so in the West they just crept into controlling the information instead and succeeded at keeping the populace blissfully ignorant with bread and circuses.
>In brief definition, Capitalism is the system by which capital uses the nation for its own purposes.
And once the nation is dry, it moves on to another nation.
This reminds me of a certain tribe… can't remember which one though. :-(
Islam is the sword of Judaism.
Christianity is the proselytizing voice of Judaism.
Sorry, forgot about that but…
That's a damn ugly cover, full with kike art really.
>Your meritocracy is what created this world, you fool.
So God is meritocratic.
Several times Jews were allowed to practice usury when it was forbidden to Christians.
That was some good hypocrisy.
Great work. You only ignored that they tried the same exact thing in Germany in 1848,, and then again later in 1928, 1933, 1938.
They use Communism and peasant revolts lead by the intellectuals in every instance. They then recruit the reactionaries to purge the peasants that revolted.
In Russia their attempt failed, but nobody ever talks about the failed attempts. Just like they never talk about when they tried recruiting Smedley Butler to install Communist regime here in the United States.
Actually the second half of that picture makes no sense. It's full of empty claims and non sequiturs.
It wasn't the Jews. They were VICTIMS!
<there's only one God and it is the semite one
But nah m8, I was saying that meritocratic faggotry is what made the present shithole world. Third pic related.
>>oy vey goyim the thing that denounces judaism and says to expel or kill kikes is totally on judaism's side
I'm not familiar with any of the Abrahamic faiths that say that though. That's the problem with your narrative.
>Several times Jews were allowed to practice usury when it was forbidden to Christians.
I'm well aware.
Jews do not fear Christianity. They don't LIKE Christianity, but they do not FEAR it.
What they fear is much older.
Zarlenga's book on economics is a read worth the $$ spent on it. A big book, sure, but good nonetheless.
IIRC, those are taken direct from the sources another Anon was bandying about.
He really went off into a shillfit with a bunch of awful 90's conspiritard-tier websites and sources and then, it would seem, got fucking purged.
>Zarlenga's book on economics is a read worth the $$ spent on it
<"bro this psychologist from chicago really had a handle on the economic situation!"
Wait, are you the same faggot who got purged above? I have a feeling you are.
Contradiction. Let's leave that nonsense to Milton Friedman.
Free market was just a code word for "kikes take it all".
As for central banks, the moment Hitler did away with Sshcahscahhsthasht, nationalized it: the bankers really got pissed and wanted WAR but needed an excuse. Hence the issues in Poland. Hitler got baited but it's hard to blame him considering the countless appeals towards the (anti-White) League of Nations.
>Hitler got baited
To be honest, he did get baited, yes… But taking the bait here wasn't actually the problem.
The problem was when the US got involved. Without lend-lease and reopening of the Western front with D-Day, let alone the Japanese situation in the East, the war would have gone a very different route.
Just having a break from the current topic.
I was sitting there, looking at the screen. A beer in the hand, enjoying the anonymity that protected me from my own traitorous government.
I appreciated how I could freely speak my mind and live the National Socialistic experience somewhere on internet.
I enjoyed that bubble. The beauty of it. I didn't feel the pressure of the enemy, I could say what I had to say and wanted to say.
I thought, this is wonderful. What a blissful moment.
I really love being in this bubble. I wish I could expand it so it would cover the entire globe.
I wish our enemies would be the ones forced to live in little, cramped cells.
We will expand our NS bubbles. We will.
Tor is a solved system my dood, so enjoy that beer knowing a glownigger reads everything you say, knows its you saying it, and decides whether or not to let others see it.
>I appreciated how I could freely speak my mind and live the National Socialistic experience somewhere on internet.
I just miss the days wherein someone spamming "NAZI FAGS R LARP!" shitposts would trigger a response in less than 48 hours.
This is so naïve.
In PURE CAPITALISM, you have acquired enough money and bought politicians so they can bail you out, because that's a sure way to keep making money even if failing.
People so in love with capitalism that they go invent some noble Darwinian laws in a complete vacuum. lol
National Socialist economics for retards:
Whatever policies best suit the needs of the people at that point in time are the ones which will be enacted, until they no longer fulfill that function.
>Whatever policies best suit the needs of the people at that point in time are the ones which will be enacted, until they no longer fulfill that function.
tl;dr Be adaptive, faggot.
>Governments are funded through theft.
Pr.40: No government can give anything to anybody without first taking it from another.
Government is, by its very nature, legalized taking. A limited amount of government is a
necessary burden for national defense and internal order. Anything more is
counterproductive to freedom and liberty.
As one would actually observe, prior to WWI and WWII, these Whites actually espoused ideas that were those defended by GLR later on.
Jewish media poisoned the Whites' minds. Their control of the finance, economy and the army did the rest.
America is rotten, it must go down. It was a ticking time bomb, the moment it claimed all men are created equal. That is a flat out lie put at the core of America's foundations. One could easily go as far as to say that America is anti-White.
Not sure how you get that from my post.
Hitler had to deal with the fact that Germany was largely Christian, most of them Protestants.
You can't win a country by saying that they're all theofags you know.
Learned scholars already agree that it was a concession for the sake of victory.
But at the very least, they clearly had something in the box for Christianity, something called Positive Christianity (a sort of semitic-free xian cult), and only God knows how it would have evolved from there considering that the elite the Reich was creating was entirely divorced from Christianity and was going full teuto-pagan.
The (((French Revolution))) was their test best. Proto-communism, minus the organized doctrinal reference known as Das Kapital put down by Mordechai and his pen niggerbitch Engels.
Legitimately, other countries freaked out. But the monarchs were clueless and weak in their minds, and puppets of Rothschild.
When Napoleon inherited France, he had to deal with a country at war with neighbors or distant countries, and these countries' leaders didn't have the intelligence or bravery to understand what kind of regime change had happened under Napoleon.
So by the fates, even if Napoleon didn't want any of these wars, he found himself forced to fight again and again. He hated Jews, wanted to destroy them through genetic assimilation (one can see his point but it was quite a bad idea in retrospect). He got betrayed by the few Jews providing him intel.
He made a move to control the central bank (uh-huh, like a certain Hitler, see?) and Rothschild kept pouring shekels in the bank vaults of Napoleon's enemies.
The Emperor could win many battles (and he did), in the end attrition would work against him.
As it happened for the Nazi, it took at few strokes of bad luck and some close but bad timing for Napoleon to lose a crucial battle.
Understand that: by the time Napoleon was fighting, he was the savior of Europe.
The next Overman will learn from Napoleon's and Hitler's mistakes. He will be ruthless. He will be Kalki walking on Erda.
There will be no compromise, no compassion.
Our enemies, their allies, the traitors within our ranks, all of them will suffer.
Then National Socialism… no, White Socialism will prevail!
Either that or we're done. Period.
Far-right, right-wing extremism, are terms coined by the enemy.
In truth, what we defend is virtuous normalcy, made of values defended by our ancestors for countless millennia.
There is nothing "far" or "extreme" about them. They are dead center, at the core of our civilizations.
>But nah m8, I was saying that meritocratic faggotry is what made the present shithole world. Third pic related.
I don't get you pal. You post three excellent pictures and then come up with such nonsense?
Meritocracy is at the core of the Laws of Nature.
You literally get what you deserve, whether you're an atheist or a believer in something like karma, wyrd, etc.
It is the enemy who uses a warped definition of meritocracy hidden behind lies in order to say that if you failed, it's your fault. In a way, yes, as a legacy of the mistakes made by your ancestors, it sort of is too.
But the enemy conveniently omits to say that he skewed the game against you too, and makes sure that you won't even try again!
There is nothing to fear of real and sane meritocracy, aside from your own failure. And fail you will, but you'll get up and retry. And keep a cheerful spirit because these are challenges fates throw at you. What's the point of being alive if it's easy, if there's no challenge, no chance of losing everything?
In the end, there won't be excuses. If you don't do what is needed to survive, you'll be gone and Nature will just shrug. Laws are actually very clear.
Before talking about civilizations, castles, poets and orchestra plays, YOUR KIN MUST SURVIVE.
This precludes miscegenation.
This requires territorial segregation.
David E. Lane called these people C.R.A.P.
Christian Rightwing American Patriots.
The only vaguely, remotely acceptable Christian are the Christian Identity ones, only because they are pro-White and also because they're a negligible minority.
But anything remotely Jesusy won't be allowed to hold high seats of power.
Nope. I honestly got into the book, not knowing anything about this Zarlenga guy, and it was a good read. It's been quite some time though, I'd have to read it again and see if things collide with NS economics and current needs, some details I may have missed.
Don't see any ill-intent here, we've got enough subversive (((agents))) trying to stop us.
>I'm well aware.
>Jews do not fear Christianity. They don't LIKE Christianity, but they do not FEAR it.
>What they fear is much older.
Ok. They also needed an enemy. Like the USA does.
Jews cannot survive without hatred against Goyim and against themselves.
Surely, all of this was pure duplicity. The kikes that shoved shekels down Constantine's throat knew what they were doing with their ancient Chosenite clause.
What kind of white man are you if you pray for a god who, at some point, really loved and made Hebrews/Jews his personal cucks before deciding that nah, let's pick someone else?
These fuckers haven't changed since the first thievery reports we got from ancient Egypt!
This is not to say that all Jews agree with each other. There's a dog eat dog mentally at play within their collective psyche too, they don't hesitate to sacrifice whole swathes of their own people for the greater good. Quite ritualistic. Yahweh is that tough, right?
This could be a matter of debate.
There's that notion of plausible deniability.
The Germans were very innovative in their armored strategy with the few resources they had, but quite old-school when it came to principles and honor, things the USA and USSR perfected over the decades after WWII. Well, all of them were but it simply played against Germans.
Had Germany not officially entered war but allowed the Germans in Poland to be armed through underground networks and mount a typical "middle-east" Freedom Insurgency, Polish Germans would have stood a chance at surviving against the manipulated Poles (who were eating German-demonizing propaganda 24/7) and Churchill would have had no excuse to move in. In fact Stalin would have finally moved into Poland (he was simply building too much pressure not to give in) and the UK would have had to seriously voice their concerns against such a shocking violation of one country's frontiers.
Hitler would have kept going "me? dindu nothin"… ;)
This would have allowed Germany to play the naïve one and ask the UK and US for help to fight the commies, which would have quickly exposed their pro-Stalin bias.
And yes, we now know that the US did everything possible to antagonize Japan.
And we also know that Pearl Harbor was NOT a surprise attack, Roosevelt knew the ships were coming, Australia had even sent a clear warning. Plus all the real good ships had already been moved out of Pearl Harbor.
The Jewed USA behaved like I described above: they sacrificed assets and people in a ritualistic fashion to gather the support of the outraged and blind US sheeple.
A jewed nation behaves madly.
>But anything remotely Jesusy won't be allowed to hold high seats of power.
and this is why we filter tor posters. The moral framework of Christians, is sound, as long as the worst excesses of looking after animals is curbed
>Jews do not fear Christianity.
They HATE christianity, for reminding them that their souls are condemned to fire.
Do you want to know what they had in mind or what they managed to do in practice? If it's the latter, watch Cultured Thug's video on The Nazi Economy or read Wages of Destruction. If it's what they had in mind but weren't able to achieve then read a /pol/'s NatSoc reading list, they're frequently posted.
i posted that already.
>and this is why we filter tor posters. The moral framework of Christians, is sound, as long as the worst excesses of looking after animals is curbed
Don't worry, christards will be filtered more.
Their framework is certainly not sound. What is sound is Aryan values as they exist outside of Christianity, despite Christianity.
White Christians have to live in a maddening conflicting reality, making them hypocrites of schizophrenic individuals.
The leftist plague is just Christianity without the Jesus sauce: the tolerance, suicidal altruism and sharing of resources, that's RIGHT FROM THE BIBLE, with the bonus that temples are made obsolete.
And yet the bible repeatedly and consistently says he was a jew.
> And yet the bible repeatedly and consistently says he was a jew.
The Stormtards attack the greatest "anti semite" of all time. Maybe the Stormtards can help the Jews censor the New Testament as planned.
And White Christians.
So why do you believe in someone who only exists according to the bible, but also don't believe anything the bible says about him?
Try keeping your crazy psychotic bullshit a little more focused rabbi, you're not even managing to pull of human much less white.
you lack reading comprehension.
The semites we know and love today are a mongrel bunch of lying interlopers, the worst of the tribes.
There were other non-semite tribes of Israel, the aryans being one of them. Jesus was Aryan, the Messiah of the Jews, and the synagogue of Satan, the fallen semites, hated him for it.
That's why they are hell bent on destroying us, wiping us from the face of earth. We remind them that they rejected their own messiah.
No it doesn't.
Have you ever actually picked up a book, much less the Bible?
you are mistaking me for someone else. I couldn't be bother arguing the point so I ignored it
I understand your bizarre fantasy, I am asking why it exists. The bible is very clear, and it says jesus was a jew, sent exclusively to the jews. He only bothered to save the non-jews (who he compared to dogs) when the jews rejected him. Why do you want to believe in jesus, who only existed according to the bible, but also want to reject everything the bible says?
>tardman can't quote the right post
You're as stupid as you are gay. Read it you moron: http://www.modernliteralversion.org/bibles/MLV/MLVBL.htm
ok then. quotes please.
You can't manage to read the first fucking sentence of the bible, but you want to spout off about how much you know what it says?
Don't know if hitler was a christain ya those table talks did kinda prove he wasn't, so why do people say he is a christain even though he isn't.
so, no quotes. just ranting. forget your meds?
Don't let these kind of threads slide anons.