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The leftypol board owner banned people for defending the Kurdish factions in the Syrian war, on the basis that they were supported by the USA and were thus tools of US imperialism. Unable to post on, and unhappy with, the moderation of leftypol, this board was created.

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Doesn't the BO need to log in regularly to keep ownership of the board?


Just anchor it and it can be an Alunya porn dump thread.

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I started reading Thomas More's Utopia recently and was wondering if we could get a thread going about left wing literature. Anyone else read this and have thoughts on the book? Can it be considered proto-socialist?

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He had a blackout psychotic episode and didnt know what he was doing, no bully

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why do a lot of leftist groups feel the need to pander to NYC tier liberals and other upper class university students ?

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I think all the fools are in good faith, but I guess if all the biggest fools are selected for and supported then something like this could happen.


It´s a side effect of not dumbing down our politics.



It’s not the university students they pander to, it’s their professors. Everything trickles down from there. Because academic institutions are powerful, that’s why they struggle to be academic. Also because they’re faggots and they value themselves based on how intelligent they seem to be.

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Utrecht shooting: Three dead and several injured after gunman opens fire on Dutch tram

Three people have been killed and several more injured after a shooting on a tram in the Dutch city of Utrecht.Police said they were investigating a "possible terrorist motive" after the attacker, a 37-year-old t*rkish-born man, fired shots inside the tram before fleeing. A police search for the suspect continues.


France to ban Yellow Vest protests in ‘worst hit’ areas if radicals spotted – French PM

"From next Saturday, we will ban 'yellow vest' protests in neighbourhoods that have been the worst hit as soon as we see sign of the presence of radical groups and their intent to cause damage," Philippe told reporters on Monday.


'Egg Boy' to donate money raised for him to victims of Christchurch mosque attacks

A teenager who cracked a raw egg over an Australian politician in protest at comments blaming Muslim immigration for the Christchurch shootings will reportedly donate most of the money raised for him to victims of the terror attack.


Over 1,000 feared dead after cyclone slams into Mozambique

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Worked for Switzerland


>give me tendies or give me death


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>This New York Rally Was Meant to Call Out Hate Crimes. It Turned Into a Protest Against Ilhan Omar

Who nose why??



You have problems, get help.




- Hey, Yang, whatcha doin'?

- Attracting right-wingers and the disenfranchised to a left-wing platform.

(NEETs and white working class high-five)

(Liberals) - WTF, we need to stop this!


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Two texts for this edition, Bakunin's A critique of the German social democratic program (1870) and Marx's Critique of the Gotha Program. This should be interesting to see the similarities and differences between the two rivals, and to see how much the German Social Democratic Party's platform changed in 5 years.





Stop by the book club to make suggestions and vote in the next poll >>111111 , and have fun reading friends.

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Thanks fam



Good thread. I just wanted to clarify that Bakunin and Marx are addressing two different party programs, Bakunin the Eisenach program of 1870 and Marx the Gotha program of 1875.



I'm just a comrade like any of you fellas here.


>But why.

An anarchist and a marxist got into an argument concerning whether the chauvinism of Bakunin and Marx had any impact on their opinions. It's an interesting read as far as comments go, and given that some folks here read youtube comments you might as well scroll through these.


That's a good thing to clarify, the five year difference between the critiques implies difference but it's something that should be explicitly expressed (especially considering how many modern parties keep the same platform for decades).



It's been awhile since I've read these. Truth be told other than for those social democrats who think themselves the red guard (or perhaps those new to theory) I don't think many people would get much use out of these. I'd like to think most of us are capable of critiquing a naive nationalist social democratic party. The differences and similarities of Marx and Bakunin in these texts is likewise what you'd expect. Both individuals were quite bored with those proposals matching bourgeoisie and nationalist parties. Other than this Bakunin was harping on about the state and Marx a poor understanding of his economics.


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>Truth be told other than for those social democrats who think themselves the red guard (or perhaps those new to theory) I don't think many people would get much use out of these.

If we're being honest, that describes most of the left, including many posters here and on /leftypol/.

>I'd like to think most of us are capable of critiquing a naive nationalist social democratic party

Then I suggest you look at the "critical support" given to socdems from Maduro to Sanders by supposed radicals and reevaluate your position.

>Other than this Bakunin was harping on about the state and Marx a poor understanding of his economics

Bakunin's harping on about the state appears to be completely correct in the context of how social democratic statecraft functioned. And if Bakunin was wrong about Marx, he was correct about the Marxists who do view the "Worker's State" owning and managing capital as socialism.

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post all your totally undeserved bans/screenshots of mod abuse here, and stop clogging up the rest of the catalog.

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Ay post that anime picture, I want to save it to my cringe collection



Got banned for shitting on Assad

I suppose it's my fault, I should've known it would happen



I think I remember you, I called you a cuck for going there after getting banned a few times and it looks like I'm right again.


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Last time I got banned for shitting on the me too thots saying it was their doing for selling themselves to Hollywood

Before that was for photoshoping sam Hyde on a serious thread about a massacre in Africa

Basically banned for having an inflammatory opinion and common fun posting

I like the catgirls and the mods gave me my own cyclical thread at a time

I don't know what went wrong from getting that to get shit canned forever if I don't use a vpn

I really wanted to revive the DC project some day but is really hard this way. Not only because is a pain in the ass to try different proxies and VPN connections until I can find one that isn't banned but as well because is hard to recommend leftypol because of the constant moralfagging like that

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what happened to national syndicalism ?

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>fuck national syndicalism.

>whoa calm down




>insulting someone means you're angry

Hi retard.



It was never any more than a fringe movement.



Well, just saying it sucks and calling people butthurt just for asking you for WHY you hate them does show that your jimmies have been rustled.

National-Syndicalism can refer to a variety of things. The Sorelians and Italian national-syndicalists probably come the closest to a true national syndicalism. The Spanish Falangists were mostly of the Rivera sort, who were more Catholic corporatists (or wanting a half-way syndicalism where workers have around 50% of the means of production) than bona fide syndicalists. Ramiros Ramos definitely was a genuine syndicalist though.

The Sorelians initially joined with the Maurassian integralist 'nationalists' due to ironically the French Third Republic being too much of a centralizing force due to its brand of civic nationalism from the French Revolution. Associating the Third Republic with democracy and thus both with centralization, the Sorelians became anti-democrats.

Italian National-Syndicalism was a parallel and similar trend among Italian intellectuals, though the dynamic was less being against a centralized liberal democracy and more seeing Italy's nationalist struggle against Austria as revolutionary. They were also called 'fascists' pretty early on, and it was the Fasci of Revolutionary Action that held their ranks. The more conservative corporatist nationalists were among the ranks of the ANI, though D'Annunzio, a hero to both, was among the ranks of the latter.


Not really, Fiume was practically a state founded by them, and they held it in a sort of Kronstadt-esque revolt.Interestingly, the constitution was pretty progressive for the time, and the Soviet Union was the sole country that recognized the state.

Fascism used to refer exclusively to the national-syndicalists before the Squadstri jumped in.

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>To take inspiration from a certain nigger, don't judge an ideology by the color or symbols of its flag but instead by the content of its class, policies, and ideals.

b-b-but what if i wanna wear my ideology like a fashionable edgy hat ?

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Where were you when you embraced Psychedelic Posadism, /leftpol/?

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LSD isn't one of the "shows you things" drugs. It distorts things. Not a good example to use. "Psychedelics do X" is shitposting that should be recognizable especially when posting Alex Jones in a Psychedelic Posadaism thread, since these are all different substances with different effects. That said:



>As predicted, profound changes in consciousness were observed after psilocybin, but surprisingly, only decreases in cerebral blood flow and BOLD signal were seen, and these were maximal in hub regions, such as the thalamus and anterior and posterior cingulate cortex (ACC and PCC). Decreased activity in the ACC/medial prefrontal cortex (mPFC) was a consistent finding and the magnitude of this decrease predicted the intensity of the subjective effects. Based on these results, a seed-based pharmaco-physiological interaction/functional connectivity analysis was performed using a medial prefrontal seed. Psilocybin caused a significant decrease in the positive coupling between the mPFC and PCC. These results strongly imply that the subjective effects of psychedelic drugs are caused by decreased activity and connectivity in the brain's key connector hubs, enabling a state of unconstrained cognition.

>Carhart-Harris et al, 2014

This interpretation of data supports my thesis, not yours. To wit:

<The psychedelic state is considered an exemplar of a primitive or primary state of consciousness that preceded the development of modern, adult, human, normal waking consciousness.

This is why I mentioned the suppression of neocortex activity, and the recent evolution of the neocortex.

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>>implying class society was the only possible path forward from tribalism

Well it's the path they chose my dude.

A+ pic by the way.


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>Societies of intelligent species that aren't humans probably wont be better than humans

They may not necessarily be better nor worse than us, but they will very probably have problems much different from our own.


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I didn't refer only to LSD but to all classic psychedelics. Still, LSD can "show you things".

Riba and colleagues (2006) conducted a SPECT study on ayahuasca, Tagliazucchi and colleagues (2014) a 3T fMRI study on psilocybin (actually same data like Carhart-Harris et al., 2014), Preller and colleagues (2017 ) a 3T fMRI study on LSD with meaningful music and Lewis and colleagues (2017) another 3T fMRI study on psilocybin with 2 sessions ≥ 10

days apart. Other studies of neural correlates are confounded by tasks or alike.

Also I didn't deny ACC deactivations. In fact, I'm familiar with them. Actually, combined with enhanced right insula activations, ACC reductions characterize switching brain states (Tang, Rothbart, & Posner, 2012) indicating brain entropy. Psilocybin is linked to decreased functional connectivity between prefrontal and parietal regions, including ACC and PCC (Carhart-Harris et al., 2012), But also, psilocybin connects conventionally segregated networks (Roseman et al., 2014) giving evidence against your thesis. Brain entropy can also be interpreted by also reduced current density in medial posterior and anterior regions when administering ayahuasca (Alonso et al., 2015; Riba et al., 2004). In addition, people who consume ayahuasca over a longer period show PCC thinnening and ACC diminution without neuropsychological impairements (Bouso et al., 2015).

You're right that neural functional segregation studies are very limited in their explanatory power and brain entros better to be investigated with functional integrity studies. However, neural correlates of psychedelic experiences can be utilized for neurofeeedback or TMS and maybe clinically valuable (Kober et al., 2017).

Not only does the DMN "collapse", but also the salience network (Lebedev et al., 2015; Tagliazucchi et al., 2016).

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Post your new creations here.

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This isn't even about that, what function do taxes serve in a society where capitalists do not exist, the state plans the economy and money is issued by the state? If it's a matter of revenue, the state can print money, that would be more cost effective than funding a bureaucracy that would have to expend labour in maintaining tax records for the entire workforce as well as monitoring sales taxes and tariffs. It also introduces opportunities for corruption in tax evasion and misappropriation of tax revenues.



>capitalists do not exist

>a state printing money




>tfw right-wingers will claim that UBI is socialism



I meant as a class rather than an entity, yes the state itself might be one big capitalist or collective of capitalist institutions but you do not have individual capitalist investors. A justification for taxation in liberal societies where the monetary supply is often privately owned and regulated, are that wealthy aristocrats and capitalists are obligated to help pay for the running of the state as they benefit the most from society, with other variations on this argument including employees paying for their own state pensions and healthcare ie pay into the system and get out. In reality it's also a scheme to extract extra surplus labour out of the working class to fund activities that the state enacts on behalf of the ruling classes.

But this is a convoluted thing to have in a socialist centralised economy, even if said economy was a market capitalist one. What need is there for taxes when the state is the sole issuer of currency and entity behind all labour allocation? It doesn't even make sense to use it as a counter inflationary mechanism as the state should address underlying causes of inflation ie commodity scarcity rather than post hoc symptoms such as money supply. It's just massive waste of resources to tax money that you've issued and allocated to begin with.


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R8 my meme niBBas

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Post mp4s and webms of speeches, songs, films, documentaries, etc..

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>Is that Patrick Stewart?



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Holy shit is that a game, what is the name?



Anthology of animated short films Love Death and Robots

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How come you only see this graffiti in Ireland, but never in Palestine?


That's one place too many already


Because people living in Gaza or the West Bank don't have the disposable income to buy spray cans and paint.

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I really just wanna know if she's a CIA plant like I've seen allusions to tbh

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fuck that bitch!!


Nice rack on that beaner chick.



>green new deal

>environmentalism and stimulus

>also idpol shit about how america is a racist patriarchy set on genociding indigenous people

Shoehorning idpol in is one of the best ways to make the left look like shit. I'm not sure these people (le social justice democrats) are plants per se, but the establishment certainly chooses to allow the most impotent of the radicals to succeed. Not controlled opposition but selected opposition.

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>bourgeois controlled government is gaining more and more power every year


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>More and more power

>Implying they haven't gotten all the power already.


Polite sage because you're right but at the same time it's hypocritical to make a thread about this too.



That's why we have to spread class consciousness. The problem is most people don't know who their enemy is.



>Yet they dont do shit beyond the occasional random acts of violence towards minorities they don't like

We are a minority that they don't like my dude.

>I think you're just taking their rhetoric too seriously, maybe in part because its obvious that the deaths from the shooters are terrible.

Bruh, they're telling us what they want to do and some of them are autistic enough to do it. It wouldn't take an elite tacticool right wing death squad to put a lot of us in the ground, it takes one or a few faggots buying guns perfectly legally and showing up to a strike or a meeting to spray some lead. The labor movement is awakening, and we need to be involved in it as socialists or else we aren't worth shit. Part of this involvement means being prepared for a lunatic to shoot at us because he thinks higher wages for teachers will result in white genocide or some other dumb shit. If the stormcucks don't try shit, the worst that can come out of this preparation is that we learned how to shoot better and made ties with comrades.



You're making predictions about risks that might exist in the future that havn't actually happened yet(fashy nutjob shoots up a strike instead of a black church or his high school or something).

This shit does not happen much. Even if, in the future, there were as many attacks like this as there are now, and they were /all/ targeted at leftist demonstrations, a few incidents a year that blow up in the news do not constitute a serious threat to your health.

>Bruh, they're telling us what they want to do and some of them are autistic enough to do it.

What they want is no more brown people and queers. Shooting up a mosque doesnt bring them any closer to that, in much the same way shooting up a law firm or a private school wouldn't actually bring us any closer to communism. The average /pol/ack is sane and just this side of downs syndrome enough to understand that just as well as us. Their ideology does not motivate these attacks that much, it just picks their targets for them.


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>the worst that can come out of this preparation is that we learned how to shoot better and made ties with comrades.

LARPers are among the very least important of far more pressing threats to justify our putting guns and the knowhow to use them back into the hands of organized labor.

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I asked this over at /leftypol/ and didnt get anything.

Is Natalie Wynn, aka contrapoints a liberal. I seem to remember her saying some liberal shit out of character once.

Does anyone have evidence of her supporting liberalism/capitalism unironically or not in character in some discourse video?

Thanks in advance. It's for science.

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aight first of all my prose is beautifully autistic

Second while there is no explicit calls for censorship her priorities after a terrorist attack was to say yeah people who use these memes are racist or use it to hide it. Which you see her retarded followers making arguments for censorship but uuuuuuuuuuuuuh lets keep supporting this mentally ill narcissist by donating and calling her "MOMMY" lmao



Show me exactly were she said or supposedly meant that and ill show you how it is probably a missrepresentation



>this is such a brainlet strawman congratulations you get dumb bitch of the year award

Do you think the people who own social media platforms should be allowed to do what they want with their private property or not?

Or should you be able to veto them wheever they do something with their private property that effects you?


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>watch video on capitalism

>pretty much boils down to being cheap when buying shoes and a mentality of "hey things are bad now but we can't really do anything about it so let's just vote democrat"

if i was more paranoid i'd call it controlled opposition


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this is how you sound posting this unironically

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This board needs to read more, and something besides a low traffic sticky is needed. To this end I think we need to revive the /leftpol/ reading group, this time without titofag being the only guy who read anything. We can start off with some basic texts of anarchism and marxism, then move on to more specfic stuff.

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Would like to see some books related to critiques of Fromm from other Frankfurt school alumni



ok I'll bite

Why'd you get b&?



It's available at the usual places (you could always just ask in the >>1128):




>Would like to see some books related to critiques of Fromm from other Frankfurt school alumni

That sounds interesting to me, any specific books or essays you have in mind?


Alright, poll for next book club is here http://poal.me/dv5ubc vote lads



>I left /leftypol/ ~2 years ago, the last week has been the first time I've posted since then, so I sort of skipped all that. The community does seem a shadow of its old self, but these things happen, and the persistence of you, news-anon, and others is admirable.

Well shucks, getting compared to news-anon is a high honor. It's a damn shame what happened, and I unironically believe that the destruction of old/leftypol/ will be the worst thing to happen to the left online until we start getting censored by the government.


That's what the threads are for, but if you have any specific questions ask here, where most of the read anons seem to post.

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